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Playoff Tie Controversy
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:08 pm
I am just curious as to the Board's opinion:
I am in the Semis and me and my Cousin tied at 101 a piece. ESPN defaults to the higher seed wins a tie and there is no way to change that as the tie breaker other than to manually overrule it by the commish. My cousin is the higher seed so ESPN has placed him in the champioship.
Our league rules in a document outside of the ESPN website state that the team with the higher bench total wins in the event of a tie and my bench outscored his by a TON. His contention is that the full rule book wasn't shared with the league in years (League has been running since like 2010ish) and that the rules on the website should be what we go by because he specifically looked them up on the website to decide if he needed to strengthen his bench. He saw it was higher seed and therefore didn't pick anyone up (Transactions are $2 a piece so it wouldn't have been a free fix).
My argument is that the league has rules written that have never been amended and I was beaten in the playoffs several years ago by bench points (which is how I knew to contest the results). And the rules were never changed via vote and therefore we should use the rules as stated by the league whether they were shared recently or not.
I see his point but I also feel like I have a much stronger point.
The commish has decided that both of us have a legit point so we will decide the winner via coin flip. I guess I am ok with this result as it at least gives me a chance but I also feel like the rules should be what they are and that I am being shorted in this situation because I am closer to the commish than the other party involved.
Basically the league is full of extended family memebers and its a great way to keep up with more distant cousins. I would honestly rather this solution that we both agree to than have the commish rule in my favor and ruin relationships but I wanted to know what the board thinks.
Should the rules as stated by the league but not shared in several years be adhered to OR should the rules as stated on the website be adhered to OR is the coin flip a good compromise?
I am in the Semis and me and my Cousin tied at 101 a piece. ESPN defaults to the higher seed wins a tie and there is no way to change that as the tie breaker other than to manually overrule it by the commish. My cousin is the higher seed so ESPN has placed him in the champioship.
Our league rules in a document outside of the ESPN website state that the team with the higher bench total wins in the event of a tie and my bench outscored his by a TON. His contention is that the full rule book wasn't shared with the league in years (League has been running since like 2010ish) and that the rules on the website should be what we go by because he specifically looked them up on the website to decide if he needed to strengthen his bench. He saw it was higher seed and therefore didn't pick anyone up (Transactions are $2 a piece so it wouldn't have been a free fix).
My argument is that the league has rules written that have never been amended and I was beaten in the playoffs several years ago by bench points (which is how I knew to contest the results). And the rules were never changed via vote and therefore we should use the rules as stated by the league whether they were shared recently or not.
I see his point but I also feel like I have a much stronger point.
The commish has decided that both of us have a legit point so we will decide the winner via coin flip. I guess I am ok with this result as it at least gives me a chance but I also feel like the rules should be what they are and that I am being shorted in this situation because I am closer to the commish than the other party involved.
Basically the league is full of extended family memebers and its a great way to keep up with more distant cousins. I would honestly rather this solution that we both agree to than have the commish rule in my favor and ruin relationships but I wanted to know what the board thinks.
Should the rules as stated by the league but not shared in several years be adhered to OR should the rules as stated on the website be adhered to OR is the coin flip a good compromise?
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:34 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I’d personally go with the website rules. It’s understandable to have an outside rule book for certain things, but matchup tiebreaker is a standard option on the website and should have been updated.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:35 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Tough argument for you. The rules should be on the website like ours are on CBS.
However, if y`all have played in the league for years and everyone knew the rules then you have a point. He didn`t want to worry about the bench because he didn`t want to pay for any pickups and nobody thinks about a tie happening until it does.
The commish in our league reminds everyone in an email before the playoffs begin what our tiebreaker is. If you don`t have rules on the website, your commish should do the same moving forward.
However, if y`all have played in the league for years and everyone knew the rules then you have a point. He didn`t want to worry about the bench because he didn`t want to pay for any pickups and nobody thinks about a tie happening until it does.
The commish in our league reminds everyone in an email before the playoffs begin what our tiebreaker is. If you don`t have rules on the website, your commish should do the same moving forward.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:54 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I would use total points or even head to head if y'all are playing that format. I would probably use total points throughout the regular season first. Lots of teams with high points get screwed time and time again when playing head to head
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:02 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Our league went with tenths this year for scoring as we had too many ties last year, this year there were some close ones but no ties whatsoever.
If you had written rules outside of the internet, then it should be that.
However, I think bench scoring is dumb unless there is a chance that it will come into play.
Double edged sword!
If you had written rules outside of the internet, then it should be that.
However, I think bench scoring is dumb unless there is a chance that it will come into play.
Double edged sword!
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:02 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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tied at 101 a piece.
Just for clarification, do yall not use the decimal system?
Posted on 12/26/23 at 2:17 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I’d agree with the coin flip or some other random tiebreaker to keep the peace and just make sure in the future the commissioner sends out the rulebook before the draft and before the playoffs every year and no excuses allowed
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:08 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
If he was a member while the rule was in place then that should be on him.
You all agreed to rules outside the league then that should be what applies.
I would consider making a poll with the rest of your league to see their thoughts.
Is there a prize for 2nd and 3rd? If not maybe you could just have a 3 team final where highest scorer on the week wins.
Whatever you decide maybe you could get input from the rest of the league.
Good luck.
You all agreed to rules outside the league then that should be what applies.
I would consider making a poll with the rest of your league to see their thoughts.
Is there a prize for 2nd and 3rd? If not maybe you could just have a 3 team final where highest scorer on the week wins.
Whatever you decide maybe you could get input from the rest of the league. Good luck.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:39 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
If there’s written rules that have been enforced previously, those are the rules. You should move on due to your bench points lead
It does suck that it wasn’t updated on the platform itself. Coin flip or something similar is not a crazy solution
It does suck that it wasn’t updated on the platform itself. Coin flip or something similar is not a crazy solution
Posted on 12/26/23 at 7:00 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Commish fricked up and league fricked up by not making the platform rules consistent with the written rules. However the platform rules should be final in this case
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:10 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The commish has decided that both of us have a legit point so we will decide the winner via coin flip.
If the rest of your story is accurate, the only way I'd be okay with this result is if the coin flip is rigged in my favor. No chance I'm okay with having lost a matchup in a previous year and then being refused that ruling later.
Either way, the fact that this is even a discussion would prevent me from ever participating in said league again. Especially if money is involved. Changing the rules after the season starts is the same as breaking a contract imo.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:49 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
First of all, you need decimal scoring
Zero reason why a 10 yard rush is with 1 point and a 9 yard rush is worth 0 points
Secondly, it should be higher seed. Stacking QBs on your bench is a dumb way to decide a playoff tie.
Lastly, league rule book takes precedent over platform if the rule book says so
Zero reason why a 10 yard rush is with 1 point and a 9 yard rush is worth 0 points
Secondly, it should be higher seed. Stacking QBs on your bench is a dumb way to decide a playoff tie.
Lastly, league rule book takes precedent over platform if the rule book says so
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