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Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:20 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Unions fall right into the free market landscape. Why wouldn’t they?
There's this weird double standard on the OT where free markets are the best thing ever but as soon as someone besides the CEO/admin/employer has leverage, it's the worst thing ever. Same thing when people were/are having trouble finding candidates who don't want to be in an office 5 days/week. "Why should they get to dictate the terms?" Uhh because you need them
Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:22 am to Ingeniero
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Unions fall right into the free market landscape. Why wouldn’t they?
There's this weird double standard on the OT where free markets are the best thing ever
Unions in most union States are far from free market. I dont think people understand the term.
If they were "free market" the employer could fire everyone who voted to join a union.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 7:23 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:39 am to JohnnyKilroy
Labor unions get a bad rap and deservedly so overall because of certain concessions made by management over the years. There is the image fired into our heads of the union guy as a slacker who is just there to pick up a paycheck and does not work and management hamstrung by union contracts to the hiring and firing of non productive workers.
It filters down to members of trade unions which I find extremely unfair because the people I've encountered like IBEW guys work their asses off and do good jobs. Much of the criticism is really political. The labor unions tend to favor as a group Democrats....and people complain that dues go to things that the membership as a whole are generally hesitant to support if not flat out against.
But, I find that overall they can serve as a balance . If management as a whole can speak with one voice, then what is so wrong with the hourly guys having the ability to speak with one?
It filters down to members of trade unions which I find extremely unfair because the people I've encountered like IBEW guys work their asses off and do good jobs. Much of the criticism is really political. The labor unions tend to favor as a group Democrats....and people complain that dues go to things that the membership as a whole are generally hesitant to support if not flat out against.
But, I find that overall they can serve as a balance . If management as a whole can speak with one voice, then what is so wrong with the hourly guys having the ability to speak with one?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:43 am to Joshjrn
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but it genuinely surprises me how antagonistic this board is towards private sector unions.
Join away, friend. You'll be tied to the least competent among you, and rewarded as such.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:45 am to Joshjrn
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but it genuinely surprises me how antagonistic this board is towards private sector unions.
I don't see why. This boards skews towards educated, independent, and successful.
You know what irritates those sort of people? Having to sit behind lessers due to concepts likes seniority.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Having to sit behind lessers due to concepts likes seniority.
It seems like a lot of these folks complaining about boomers not retiring would get it.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:39 am to momentoftruth87
quote:Its funny, considering this mentality is exactly why the hospitals are in this mess. They essentially fricked around and found out. What the nurses are doing to them is basically free market in its purest form
Unions aren’t a conservative concept a free market/society says if you don’t like it, go elsewhere or adapt.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:41 am to zx24
quote:They have been terrified for years but did absolutely nothing to help themselves
Ochsner has to be worried. They will be an ideal target for the union.
Every hospital in Louisiana’s plan of action for the nursing situation has been to put a bandaid over a shotgun wound
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:seniority doesn't get you very much in a lot of unions
Having to sit behind lessers due to concepts likes seniority.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:58 am to fightin tigers
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Hospitals being ok with paying their inflated boards less would be a start.
This. Most hospital systems operate as nonprofits, can go look at the tax returns online and see the salaries of the admin and board, it’s disgusting. CEO of my wife’s hospital makes 4 to 5 x’s as much as she does as a physician. I know CEO is a tough and demanding job, but compared to the work my wife does day to day it’s insane that admin are getting year end bonuses that equate to her yearly salary.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:00 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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seniority doesn't get you very much in a lot of unions
Huh? I've had to read numerous union contracts, all have seniority preference.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:07 am to jordan21210
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CEO of my wife’s hospital makes 4 to 5 x’s as much as she does as a physician. I know CEO is a tough and demanding job, but compared to the work my wife does day to day it’s insane that admin are getting year end bonuses that equate to her yearly salary.
I can see it, the CEO of a company is responsible for more revenue than one physician.
What's unfair is a 8yr on YouTube making $40mill /yr making videos from home.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:27 am to GeauxtigersMs36
Yes i hate unions
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:32 am to Sao
COL has increased at a rates not equal to salary/ hourly
the upper admins at southern hospitals can get fricked. They don’t pay nurses near enough and cut costs everywhere but their own bonuses.
the upper admins at southern hospitals can get fricked. They don’t pay nurses near enough and cut costs everywhere but their own bonuses.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I can start on a job whenever I want, regardless of who may be out of work at the time. "Preference" goes out of the window pretty quick.
Huh? I've had to read numerous union contracts, all have seniority preference.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:35 am to jordan21210
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I know CEO is a tough and demanding job, but compared to the work my wife does day to day it’s insane that admin are getting year end bonuses that equate to her yearly salary.
Why dont your wife just become a CEO if its that easy?
I am reading here how hard it is to be a nurse, and how soft it is to be a CEO. Why dont nurses just become CEOs?
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 9:37 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:50 am to John88
How much do RNs at UMC make? Ochsner?
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Why dont your wife just become a CEO if its that easy?
I didn’t say that. My point was that his pay for his day to day is grossly high vs my wife’s pay for her day to day. Hospital admin and BOD make too much and underpay everyone below them.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Unions in most union States are far from free market. I dont think people understand the term.
LA is not a closed shop state.
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