re: The ***OFFICIAL*** 13th Annual JFK Assassination Conspiracy Thread - 60th Anniv Special!

I was in the eighth grade when Kennedy was shot, but I still remember how confusing everything was when it happened.

Years later, I worked with a guy whose father (a marine who served as a rifleman in Korea) lived in Dallas and said he was at the bottom of the grassy knoll with his wife the day JFK was shot.

A few minutes before the Kennedy caravan came to the first of the two turns leading to the Depository, his father turned and saw three men in dark suits, white shirts with ties, and sunglasses up the hill behind him and his wife.

Him suddenly looking behind him seems perfectly reasonable to me and him doing that has always reminded me of a soldier always wanting to maintain situational awareness.

He said he remembered seeing them very well, that two were wearing hats and the other was not. The one who had no hat was pulling a rifle case out of the trunk of a car at the top of the hill. He said he thought they were Secret Service and commented to his wife that the Secret service had better get on a move if they planned to be in place when Kennedy came by.

He turned back to the street in front of him and his wife after seeing the guy toss the case back into the trunk and move over beside the other two guys. He said all three "looked like soldiers on a mission" to him and he distinctly remembered thinking just that as he turned away from them back to the street.

As he saw the motorcycles and Kennedy's limo make the right hand turn toward the left hand turn in front of the Depository, he looked back again and saw two of the men intently watching the corner as the third one seemed to be checking out his weapon. Then one of the other two pointed toward the motorcade and the Kennedy car which was just turning in front of the Depository building. His father turned back toward where the guy was pointing and, as he thought how tough it must be to post guards all along the parade route with so many people to watch, he heard the first shot, which he was 100% certain came from the front far side of the Depository Building, where he said he later learned was where Oswald was said to be posted.

Then he distinctly heard two other shots from behind where he and his wife were standing, back up the grassy hill (What the Warren Commission called the Grassy Knoll) behind him. He was acting on instinct as he pushed his wife to the ground, and when he managed to look back, the three guys were already leaving.

The one with the rifle was putting it into the trunk, which was still open and then he shut the lid and scrambled to get the back door open, because the other two were already in the car and it was moving away.

His son said his father always claimed he was a Marine Rifleman with combat experience and did not make mistakes about what direction gun shots were coming from. The son also said that his father said he called the police department that afternoon and spoke with a guy he knew on the force, who said they were off the case but that he would have "Someone from the Government" call him.

When the call came a few days later, he told the guy, who really never clearly identified himself, what he had seen, and ended the call with the impression that the guy didn't seem much interested in what the father had seen. The government guy ended the call, telling him someone else would be in touch, "If they needed to follow up on his story." He said, no one ever called. I always wanted to meet this guy, but never did, and then my work friend and I went in different directions, and I lost any chance of that happening.

I ran across my friend several years after hearing this story and he said his father and mother had both passed away and I guess the witness story died with them. The son had to be somewhere around 9 or 10 years old when this happened, so I assume he was repeating what his father had told him.

All I can say for certain is I believe it is possible Oswald could have made the shots. I have been at the window in the Depository and as a trained (Army) rifleman (M1 and M16), I believe I could have made it. Maybe Oswald would have failed doing it twice in a row, but he could have made the shots they credit to him once. However, if I believe my friend, who had no reason to make up the story from his father, some other rifleman was there that day.

Boy this was long. Sorry.

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That they are wrong. JFK’s head goes forward when he’s shot.

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In the throat.........

It was for the best.

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Every Italian family in Southeast LA at the time knew the amount of power Marcello had because they all feared him.

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This is complete Yat fantasy.

Rob Reiner claims he's unearthed PROOF that JFK was killed by FOUR shooters not one

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You watch the Zapruder film over and over again,' Reiner told the Sun Sentinel newspaper. 

'And then when you watch that, it really becomes clear. No way that a bullet comes through Kennedy and then stops for a little while and it waits to hit Connelly. 

'None of it makes sense. And Connelly himself said too until the day he died, "The bullet that hit Kennedy didn’t hit me."' 

Reiner believes he has worked out exactly what happened in the shooting with the help of O'Brien and author Dick Russell. 

'I’m very confident on the conspiracy part of it,' he said. 'That, I’m 100% confident on. Exactly who did what, we make our best guess based on all the information we have.

'We name the shooters. We name the positions the shooters were in. Some people say there were four, others say five, and I’m still wrestling with that. But based on the forensics, we know there were four.'

But he is yet to reveal the name of the shooters until the final episodes of the podcast and added there are more revelations to come. 

'We say in the podcast for sure there was somebody up on the sixth floor,' the actor added. 'And there were people, there was somebody, firing from the sixth floor.

'I’m gonna ask you this question: Why did the first shot miss?'

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Kennedy was shot in a crossfire. But not like you think it happened.

There is 1 shooter on the 6th floor of the TSBD. The first shot is fired, missing the president. A fragment from the bullet or debris from the street hit James Tauge, who is watching the motorcade in Dealey Plaza. When this first shot is fired and missed.

There is a 2nd shooter in the records building who is ready.

The TSBD gunmen reloads and the second/third shots are fired at the SAME TIME from the TSBD and the records building, hitting JFK in the back, through the throat and the governor. One was high, and one was low. The 4th shot, but 3rd gunshot noise heard is from the grassy knoll. This last shot was done by Lucien Sarti from the Marseilles mafia that took the contract.

The two men that made the shots from above were never ID’d but were contracted killers in partnership with Lucien Sarti. I think that Oswald never fired either one of the rifles that were used. He was instructed to bring the rifle he had up the 6th floor. The other mafia guys brought their own rifle.

The up top killers left the Carcano rifle that was ordered under Oswalds fake name in the depository. This is why Oswald refers to himself as a “patsy”. He figured out afterwards what was happening and the plan was to leave that carcano at the scene with the 3 casings to link oswald to it. The team needed oswald as a contact to have access within the building.

So the crowd hears “3” gun shots fired.

When what happened was 2 of those shots were at the same time coming from the TSBD and records building. These shots account for JFK’s neck and TX governor’s wounds. The contract that Lucien Sarti took originated with Carlos Marcello of New Orleans who placed it in Marseilles through his colleague Santo Trafficante, Jr. who had the closest relations with Antoine Guérini. Antoine at the time was the leader in organized crime in the world.

The 4th shot comes from the "grassy knoll" behind the fence for the headshot. Corroborated by Railroad Supervisor Sam Holland and others that were witness to it. Lucien Sarti was dressed purposely in a suit that day. When he takes out his rifle no one bats an eye because they think he’s secret service because he’s dressed just like the secret service team. After the shot and during the chaos he gets into a car and simply drives away during the chaos. This was very planned out and coordinated.

Where people gets confused is that there are actually 4 rounds fired that day. 3 from above, one from below.
3 of the shots from above were shot at the same time accounting for 2 gun shot sounds and only 3 casings found.

JFK's head goes back and to the left. you should rewatch the zapruder film a few more times.

I usually side with Oswald was a lone gunman and lone actor based on a few different things.

1) He already attempted an assassination on a general earlier in the year.

2) There didn't seem to be any sort of elaborate plan as he just got that job a month before they announced any sort of JFK parade route in front of that building. I think this was more of a crime of opportunity than anything else.

3) After killing the president, Oswalt then kills a cop without even thinking about it. The guy was obviously not all there.