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re: We won't bee free much longer because... we don't want to be free
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:10 pm to TigerEyeGuy
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:10 pm to TigerEyeGuy
you know that the constitution only applies to the US right? It isn't our mandate to the world.
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:24 pm to Bunk Moreland
They were trying to censor MTG at the same time ....
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:24 pm to VoxDawg
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This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:43 pm to VoxDawg
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antisemitic speech should be allowed
Sure then the next step will be anti- Christian hate speech.
America was based on Judeo-Christian principles so if you are anti-semetic and anti-christian then you need to move your arse to an Arab country.
Simple as that or subject yourself to arrest and deportation.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:46 pm to LSUvet72
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America was based on Judeo-Christian principles so if you are anti-semetic and anti-christian then you need to move your arse to an Arab country.
Simple as that or subject yourself to arrest and deportation.
This is literally the opposite of what America was founded on
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:47 pm to RiverCityTider
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Maga was outraged by the Social Media platforms censoring speech about covid, the election, etc.
Now they want to censor anti Israel speech.
Well I guess I'd consider myself "MAGA" because I would love to see America made great again... But that's not at all how I feel about censorship of free speech.
Speech is speech, period. And it is 100% protected by the Constitution.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:14 pm to TigerEyeGuy
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Same as the ppl who champion. The first and 2nd ammendment not acknowledging the 3rd and actively supporting Israel military who has forcibly quartered themselves in palestinians homes for decades. Only constitutional when convenient
What the frick? American rights in our Constitution are for citizens in the US.
If Palestinians want rights, let them fight for it like America did long ago.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:30 pm to lake chuck fan
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What the frick? American rights in our Constitution are for citizens in the US.
If Palestinians want rights, let them fight for it like America did long ago.
Is that not exactly what they have been doing for the last 75 years?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:33 pm to RiverCityTider
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But I thought conservatives did.
MAGA is not conservative. Trump is not conservative.
You're just now figuring that out?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:42 pm to lake chuck fan
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If Palestinians want rights, let them fight for it
Uhmmm who wants to tell him?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:43 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Is that not exactly what they have been doing for the last 75 years?
No.
First of all, there's no such thing as "Palestine" as an independent nation or state. "Palestine" was the name of a region occupied by Muslims, Jews, and Christians and owned (most recently, before Israel) by the Ottomans. After WWI the precursor to the United Nations charged Britain with the task of returning it to the Jews and establishing a nation of Israel. Several two state solutions have been proposed since then by various entities (including Israel and the UN) to allow Arabs (who call themselves "Palestinians" for political reasons...see below) their own parcel of land, and they have rejected them all.
Because they have not been fighting for rights or freedoms for 75 years. That's not what they want. Hell, they've been vicious oppressors of their own people for 75 years.
They've been trying to exterminate Jews for the last 75 years. That is all they care about. Certainly not improving the lives of their "citizens."
This guy from the PLO explains it better than I can, though:
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"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."
That guy's name is Zuheir Mohsen and he was the leader of one of the factions of the PLO in the 1970s. He slipped up and told the truth to some European newspaper back then, which is the source of that quote.
"Palestine" and "Palestinians" are fictions. Islam commands adherents to lie to promote Islam (the doctrine of taqiyya) and that's exactly what they've been doing about Palestine for 75 years.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:49 pm to hubertcumberdale
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This is literally the opposite of what America was founded on
Nope.
Free speech, democracy, women's rights, a Bill of Rights protecting citizens from government tyranny, all that and more were direct conclusions from traditional Judaeo-Christian values.
There is a reason that those things exist to whatever degree they exist in the Western world and not in the far East or Middle East. Those societies were not founded upon traditional Judaeo-Christian values.
BTW, being founded upon traditional Judaeo-Christian values doesn't mean you are a Christian or Jewish nation with a national religion. It just means that the values you embraced as a country were derived from that culture. It doesn't require a belief in those deities.
You don't know very much about history, do you?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:56 pm to TigerEyeGuy
quote:Are you under the impression that the Third Amendment to the US Constitution applied to the actions of a foreign military in a foreign country?
Same as the ppl who champion. The first and 2nd ammendment not acknowledging the 3rd and actively supporting Israel military who has forcibly quartered themselves in palestinians homes for decades. Only constitutional when convenient
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:59 pm to wackatimesthree
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Nope.
Free speech, democracy, women's rights, a Bill of Rights protecting citizens from government tyranny, all that and more were direct conclusions from traditional Judaeo-Christian values.
There is a reason that those things exist to whatever degree they exist in the Western world and not in the far East or Middle East. Those societies were not founded upon traditional Judaeo-Christian values.
BTW, being founded upon traditional Judaeo-Christian values doesn't mean you are a Christian or Jewish nation with a national religion. It just means that the values you embraced as a country were derived from that culture. It doesn't require a belief in those deities.
You don't know very much about history, do you?
Freedom of speech = Freedom of religion ?
Separation of church and state as conceived by Thomas Jefferson?
You dont know very much about the constitution, do you?
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:32 pm to Antoninus
you are very confusing
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:34 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Freedom of speech = Freedom of religion ?
Separation of church and state as conceived by Thomas Jefferson?
You dont know very much about the constitution, do you?
You mean the US Constitution, which spells out "inalienable rights" that the Declaration of Independence ascribes directly to a Creator?
Or do you mean the 50 state constitutions, every one of which mentions either God or the Divine?
The "One Nation Under God" United States? That writes "In God We Trust" on its currency?
Boy, you're even dumber than I thought you were.
I get it that the false narrative is very popular these days that the west was not founded upon Judaeo-Christian values, just like the false narrative of "Palestine."
But if you're going to deny that the west was founded upon those values, surely you can tell me what values was it founded upon instead? Greek values?
So all of those mentions of God are about Zeus?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:42 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Is that not exactly what they have been doing for the last 75 years?
Oh lawd! I know it's pointless, but I'll say it anyway. You call blowing up innocent Jews on buses and in public fighting for rights? I call that terrorism.
Israel conceded Gaza to the Palestinians. Pulled out and let them do their thing. The Palestinians could have used the millions of dollars it received in aid to create businesses and developed the beach front. Instead, what have they done???? Rather than attempt to become a legitimate and productive peoples, they pursued their only goal in life which is to kill Jews.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:44 pm to RiverCityTider
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Maga was outraged by the Social Media platforms censoring speech about covid, the election, etc.
Now they want to censor anti Israel speech.
The left doesn't care about the constitution. But I thought conservatives did.
You know there are political prisoner's in the US now right? Why would any of you support the government and big tech censoring anyone?
Is free speech à la carte?
Why would people who have been designated a "domestic terrorist" threat support this government in anything they do... ever?
I want to know how you even lift a brush that broad with your little girly-man arms.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:45 pm to TigerEyeGuy
Wrong ball park .....there is no such clause in the Israeli
Constitution .......You should be yelling at the Brits and maybe Virginia ....
What a stupid statement ....
Constitution .......You should be yelling at the Brits and maybe Virginia ....
What a stupid statement ....
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:51 pm to wackatimesthree
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You mean the US Constitution, which spells out "inalienable rights" that the Declaration of Independence ascribes directly to a Creator?
Or do you mean the 50 state constitutions, every one of which mentions either God or the Divine?
The "One Nation Under God" United States? That writes "In God We Trust" on its currency?
Boy, you're even dumber than I thought you were.
I get it that the false narrative is very popular these days that the west was not founded upon Judaeo-Christian values, just like the false narrative of "Palestine."
But if you're going to deny that the west was founded upon those values, surely you can tell me what values was it founded upon instead? Greek values?
So all of those mentions of God are about Zeus?
Are Jews and Christians the only religion with a God? Do you not believe in freedom of religion? Does it say anything about Jesus anywhere in the Constitution?
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The text of the U.S. Constitution makes no mention of God, Jesus Christ, or Christianity. In fact, it bends over backwards to establish freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. This is the main reason today America is probably the most diverse country in the world. It has people from some 15 races, from every religion on the planet, who speak more than 350 languages.
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These are the men that fought for religious freedom and the separation of church and state. In fact, God, Jesus Christ, and Christianity are not stated once in all of the Constitution, and it is clearly done so on purpose.
The Constitution even bars all laws from “respecting an establishment of religion,” while also protecting “the free exercise thereof.”
The U.S. Constitution Doesn’t Establish A Christian Nation
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 3:53 pm
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