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re: LSU Gymnastics Recruiting Thread (2024 and 2025 Recruiting Classes)
Posted on 3/24/24 at 2:08 pm to Pippa
Posted on 3/24/24 at 2:08 pm to Pippa
I am not, per se, scared, lol. More scarred from a number of times where Kentucky has been a plucky dangerous team and we have lost to them when we absolutely shouldn’t. That said - in this regional, we should both be ok to go - but you never know what the day will bring!
I have been thinking - Oklahoma as THE meet every week. We don’t - but, in the end, we only have to have it once. Stranger things have happened - I am excited to see how it goes.
I have been thinking - Oklahoma as THE meet every week. We don’t - but, in the end, we only have to have it once. Stranger things have happened - I am excited to see how it goes.
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:32 pm to LSUgymfan420
So, I was rewatching yesterday’s meet and decided to check what score we would get if we had stuck landings on all of our counting routines on beam, vault, and bars. Solely because every routine that one Norman team counted on those events either had a stuck dismount or a very small hop (Ava’s vault, Smith’s bars and Bower’s beam, especifically). So yeah, there's that.
I added tenths to each final score, depending on what deduction I feel was probably taken for the uncontrolled landing (small step/hop up to 0.1; large step/hop up to 0.2).
Note that all of this is subjective, and I did not take into consideration the 1-second hold rule because, you know, nobody seems to be doing so anyways. Also, some landings had a hop/step due to underrotation (e.g., Sav’s vault), which should be a separate deduction, but I only added the landing parcel of the score (theoretically, you can underrotate and still stick it - finesse, am I right?).
Ok, here we geaux.
Small step/hop up to 0.1
Large step/hop up to 0.2
Vault
KJ 9.875 (n/a)
Finnegan 9.85 + 0.1 (small step)
Schoenherr 9.85 + 0.05 (very minor hop in place)
Johnson 9.925 (n/a)
Bryant 9.975 (n/a)
Actual score: 49.475
Dream score: 49.625
Bars
Jonhson 9.825 + 0.1 (small hop)
Cowan 9.95 (n/a)
McClain 9.9 + 0.1 (small step)
Schoenherr 9.85 + 0.05 (minor hop?)
Haleigh Bryant 9.925 -> 10; she had 9.9s and 9.95s for that routine, so I guess some judges took 0.1 for the step (which feels right imo) and others considered it ‘very minor’ and took only a 0.05.
Actual score: 49.450
Dream score: 49.775
Beam
Ballard 9.8 (I don’t know about this one, it was like 2 or 3 steps, so kind of an impossible score here, but let’s consider a 9.875, shall we?)
Schoenherr 9.85 + 0.05 (very minor hop back)
McClain 10
Bryant 9.950 (n/a)
Finnegan 9.875 (n/a)
Actual score: 49.475
Dream score: 49.600
Total actual score: 198.075
Total dream score: 198.675
Feel free to disagree with the deductions I saw. I know a 49.775 on bars is kind of a reach, and yes, some of the routines are a bit unlikely to stick (Ballard on beam, Sav/Finnegan on vault), but I feel like the rest is doable.
We’d still be a tad behind Oklahoma, so maybe we’d need to be perfect AND get some help from them. I’m not sure their floor scores will translate to the big stage; they competed at LNC, after all. They were undeniably lights out yesterday, but could they be that perfect once again? (probably yes, but one can dream for everything to work out in our favour that one night
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I added tenths to each final score, depending on what deduction I feel was probably taken for the uncontrolled landing (small step/hop up to 0.1; large step/hop up to 0.2).
Note that all of this is subjective, and I did not take into consideration the 1-second hold rule because, you know, nobody seems to be doing so anyways. Also, some landings had a hop/step due to underrotation (e.g., Sav’s vault), which should be a separate deduction, but I only added the landing parcel of the score (theoretically, you can underrotate and still stick it - finesse, am I right?).
Ok, here we geaux.
Small step/hop up to 0.1
Large step/hop up to 0.2
Vault
KJ 9.875 (n/a)
Finnegan 9.85 + 0.1 (small step)
Schoenherr 9.85 + 0.05 (very minor hop in place)
Johnson 9.925 (n/a)
Bryant 9.975 (n/a)
Actual score: 49.475
Dream score: 49.625
Bars
Jonhson 9.825 + 0.1 (small hop)
Cowan 9.95 (n/a)
McClain 9.9 + 0.1 (small step)
Schoenherr 9.85 + 0.05 (minor hop?)
Haleigh Bryant 9.925 -> 10; she had 9.9s and 9.95s for that routine, so I guess some judges took 0.1 for the step (which feels right imo) and others considered it ‘very minor’ and took only a 0.05.
Actual score: 49.450
Dream score: 49.775
Beam
Ballard 9.8 (I don’t know about this one, it was like 2 or 3 steps, so kind of an impossible score here, but let’s consider a 9.875, shall we?)
Schoenherr 9.85 + 0.05 (very minor hop back)
McClain 10
Bryant 9.950 (n/a)
Finnegan 9.875 (n/a)
Actual score: 49.475
Dream score: 49.600
Total actual score: 198.075
Total dream score: 198.675
Feel free to disagree with the deductions I saw. I know a 49.775 on bars is kind of a reach, and yes, some of the routines are a bit unlikely to stick (Ballard on beam, Sav/Finnegan on vault), but I feel like the rest is doable.
We’d still be a tad behind Oklahoma, so maybe we’d need to be perfect AND get some help from them. I’m not sure their floor scores will translate to the big stage; they competed at LNC, after all. They were undeniably lights out yesterday, but could they be that perfect once again? (probably yes, but one can dream for everything to work out in our favour that one night
)This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:34 pm to joaofff
This is a good analysis - I was curious about this.
A few other thoughts - I was sitting literally 20 feet away from the vault landing surface right behind the judges. It was a great view. When they gave KJ that 9.875 - I thought, well they better not reward stuck fulls in later rotations as scores rise. And, to my surprise they didn’t. I think the other three teams are probably annoyed by the vault scoring because they stuck a number of vault, but these judges also took into account the distance and height.
For example, Kentucky had their two stuck hand spring front like. They have honed in on the landing but get no distance and have no height (or not the height of Bryant’s). The highest these got were 9.925- which was correct, especially comparatively. As it turns out, it wasn’t LSU being over scored all year - but some of the other teams. That being said, Kiya and Haleigh saved that rotation with their best of the year, so I need at least one other of them to find a landing as e move forward.
Bars- I don’t know what to do there. Sam peszek mentioned she wondered if the athletes were feeling the bounce from podium because there weren’t as many sticks as you’d expect. Now, I am not going to give us that pass because we haven’t found them all year. Joe is the time to drill it - if not now, then when ??. Also kudos to Cowan - what a time to have your best performance. It’s better if we can have Alexis lead off so Kiya can go further down, but I think having Kiya lead off in her absence was the right move.
Beam - honestly, Sierra had one of her better routines until the landing and kudos for Savannah for stepping in. Her 3/4 switch leap is terrifying, but no less terrifying than Alexis standing front tuck, so I wonder if you keep her in. Konnor was perfection - obviously, and then I think the nerves got to Kiya, but am proud of her staying on at least. Haleigh was Haleigh, but dear lord - what is going on with Aleah and that series this year - she has hit it maybe three times of 10-12? I suppose they won’t do anything about it now, but these are things - she left a tenth on the floor at least.
Floor - best case floor lineup did what we all knew it could. Some slight missteps by Aleah and Amari, but still great performances - so glad for KJ finally getting some true recognition.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of it shapes up!
A few other thoughts - I was sitting literally 20 feet away from the vault landing surface right behind the judges. It was a great view. When they gave KJ that 9.875 - I thought, well they better not reward stuck fulls in later rotations as scores rise. And, to my surprise they didn’t. I think the other three teams are probably annoyed by the vault scoring because they stuck a number of vault, but these judges also took into account the distance and height.
For example, Kentucky had their two stuck hand spring front like. They have honed in on the landing but get no distance and have no height (or not the height of Bryant’s). The highest these got were 9.925- which was correct, especially comparatively. As it turns out, it wasn’t LSU being over scored all year - but some of the other teams. That being said, Kiya and Haleigh saved that rotation with their best of the year, so I need at least one other of them to find a landing as e move forward.
Bars- I don’t know what to do there. Sam peszek mentioned she wondered if the athletes were feeling the bounce from podium because there weren’t as many sticks as you’d expect. Now, I am not going to give us that pass because we haven’t found them all year. Joe is the time to drill it - if not now, then when ??. Also kudos to Cowan - what a time to have your best performance. It’s better if we can have Alexis lead off so Kiya can go further down, but I think having Kiya lead off in her absence was the right move.
Beam - honestly, Sierra had one of her better routines until the landing and kudos for Savannah for stepping in. Her 3/4 switch leap is terrifying, but no less terrifying than Alexis standing front tuck, so I wonder if you keep her in. Konnor was perfection - obviously, and then I think the nerves got to Kiya, but am proud of her staying on at least. Haleigh was Haleigh, but dear lord - what is going on with Aleah and that series this year - she has hit it maybe three times of 10-12? I suppose they won’t do anything about it now, but these are things - she left a tenth on the floor at least.
Floor - best case floor lineup did what we all knew it could. Some slight missteps by Aleah and Amari, but still great performances - so glad for KJ finally getting some true recognition.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of it shapes up!
Posted on 3/24/24 at 7:45 pm to LSUgymfan420
I heard the announcers say Aleah was supposed to be on bars but wasn’t landing her dismount in warmups. Well hellooo. Aleah with a dismount that works would score big at nationals. We need to pull out all the stops. She is too good to be sitting out on bars just because of a dismount that is rarely stuck. Is changing it before regionals possible, or is it too late? Same for her triple series on beam. Aleah is a beautiful gymnast! Give her routines that pay off!
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 3/24/24 at 8:35 pm to TigerFan112
No change coming this late in the season. It is what it is now. I actually think no change at all because jay hasn’t yet. Great analysis. I’m not worried about nationals yet. We have to get there first. We can’t be a fla from a few years ago and not make it at all.
Posted on 3/25/24 at 11:34 am to khill715
So happy with the Regionals placement. I will be in Fayetteville!!!
Posted on 3/25/24 at 5:04 pm to tlricks04
I like our side of the bracket. Just go do their normal, and we're good to go
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:10 am to Pippa
Drayton not earning all SEC freshmen honors is INSANE but i don’t understand why conference awards are based on one meet
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:10 am to Tigerbait357
It’s just based on performance at one meet…congrats to Bryant on SEC GOTY!!!
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:12 am to TigerFan112
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I heard the announcers say Aleah was supposed to be on bars but wasn’t landing her dismount in warmups. Well hellooo. Aleah with a dismount that works would score big at nationals. We need to pull out all the stops. She is too good to be sitting out on bars just because of a dismount that is rarely stuck. Is changing it before regionals possible, or is it too late? Same for her triple series on beam. Aleah is a beautiful gymnast! Give her routines that pay off!
I don't want Aleah on bars, at all. Give me Alexis over Livvy and let that be the bars lineup.
Aleah has been a different gymnast this year. I'm a big fan and I know she's dealt with a wrist injury, but she makes me more nervous than any other gymnast we have. Especially on beam. Sounds crazy but I would honestly be fine with her being out of the beam lineup. The triple move on her beam routine just doesn't work, it's too difficult. She did a nice job with it last year but she pulls it off about 25% of the time this year. You can't have that inconsistent of a routine at regionals and especially nationals. Even more having her as the anchor, she hasn't nailed it once when a routine before her doesn't score well. I wish they'd just tone down the difficulty of it but I know they won't.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I don't want Aleah on bars, at all. Give me Alexis over Livvy and let that be the bars lineup. Aleah has been a different gymnast this year. I'm a big fan and I know she's dealt with a wrist injury, but she makes me more nervous than any other gymnast we have. Especially on beam. Sounds crazy but I would honestly be fine with her being out of the beam lineup. The triple move on her beam routine just doesn't work, it's too difficult. She did a nice job with it last year but she pulls it off about 25% of the time this year. You can't have that inconsistent of a routine at regionals and especially nationals. Even more having her as the anchor, she hasn't nailed it once when a routine before her doesn't score well. I wish they'd just tone down the difficulty of it but I know they won't.
I like Alexis on bars, but her dismount takes away from her routine as well. Even when she sticks (which she has been doing pretty often) it just looks off and her scores reflect it. Both she and Aleah have good routines but iffy dismounts.
It’s just crazy that Aleah has been a big question mark this year. I mean she has qualified for the Olympics! She’s such a beautiful gymnast who I expected to be rock solid - like ok, Aleah’s up, that’s a guaranteed 9.90!
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:16 pm to LSUgymfan420
Can someone explain why KJ is doing a YF? She clearly has the power to do at least a 1/2 and I’m sure a double. Is it her legs? Don’t see that. Girl is clearly strong as an ox. I just see it as a waste of a vault and we all know they’re not rewarding it for a couple of yrs. now.
Posted on 3/28/24 at 9:18 am to TigerFan112
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I like Alexis on bars, but her dismount takes away from her routine as well. Even when she sticks (which she has been doing pretty often) it just looks off and her scores reflect it. Both she and Aleah have good routines but iffy dismounts.
Yea Alexis kind of has "soft knees" landings. Don't know how to describe it but she sticks it but just kind of dips down and it doesn't look super pretty. Aleah just can't stick it at all. Was there a reason Alexis wasn't in the lineup instead of Livvy at the SECC? I didn't hear them give a reason. Only a reason why Aleah wasn't in there. Seems like Alexis would be above Livvy in the depth chart seeing as she had been the leadoff most of the season.
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It’s just crazy that Aleah has been a big question mark this year. I mean she has qualified for the Olympics! She’s such a beautiful gymnast who I expected to be rock solid - like ok, Aleah’s up, that’s a guaranteed 9.90!
Yea it's kind of baffling. Last year, I was like you, it was like you could mark it as a 9.9+ before she even went. This year I'm holding my breath on every routine, especially beam. And I don't think she has stuck a vault or beam yet. THen she stepped out on floor at the last event. It's like she's in her head or something, maybe lost some confidence. I'm glad Jay was able to make a decision off of warmups at the SECC instead of just being locked into his lineup and giving seniority like he did with the super seniors (even though the person he subbed her with was a senior). I like seeing him make those adjustments.
Posted on 3/28/24 at 10:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Yea Alexis kind of has "soft knees" landings. Don't know how to describe it but she sticks it but just kind of dips down and it doesn't look super pretty. Aleah just can't stick it at all. Was there a reason Alexis wasn't in the lineup instead of Livvy at the SECC? I didn't hear them give a reason. Only a reason why Aleah wasn't in there. Seems like Alexis would be above Livvy in the depth chart seeing as she had been the leadoff most of the season.
I heard Alexis was sick, although she was at the meet and with the team.
Posted on 3/28/24 at 10:19 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Was there a reason Alexis wasn't in the lineup instead of Livvy at the SECC?
This has already been addressed in this thread. The broadcast and Mike Smith (on practice day) both said Jeff was sick so she was out of competition lineups for the weekend hence why we saw Sav in the 2 spot on beam as well.
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And I don't think she has stuck a vault or beam yet.
Her first time competing the 1.5 this season she stuck it cold and got a 9.95 (would’ve been a 10 if not for her extra arm swing on the landing) and for a 9.9 at the podium meet (had just a miniscule hop on the landing) and hasn’t had a single fall on that event yet. As for beam, she’s only fallen once all season and 6/12 are 9.9+ scores for her (8+ are 9.875 or better which isn’t an awful score all things considered. It’s a usable countable score if there’s a fall in the lineup before her).
Yes she’s struggled at some points this year but we’ve remembered her bad routines more than her good ones. In my opinion, across all 3 events she’s competed in consistently since January, her great routines have far outweighed the bad, especially for someone who’s been dealing with a wrist injury all year, was used every week last season with little to no rest, then spent the off season trying to make the Olympics. I think what she’s done for us is more anyone can or should ask of a person
Posted on 3/28/24 at 10:33 am to lsugymfann
So, re: Aleah, I think that she has been more inconsistent this year than last, but mostly on beam.
For vault, not one of our 1.5s can stick their landings so I cant' really fault her for not doing so, though I do think she has a better chance of stick that than the omelianchik.
On Floor, I think she has been more consistent this year than the last as she had some more trouble with short landings and sitting her passes down last year. That said, she has had one or two inconsistent hits, but other than that has been rock solid.
This issue really has been beam. Even if she has had scores of 9.9+, she should be an auto 9.95-9.975 every time adn she hasn't been. Not only that, but we all know that some of her scores given the balance breaks she had shoudl have been now where near a 9.875, but we got lucky with the scoring. That's the true concern. And before you say, well, its been a lot with the Olympics, etc. and she has tried hard. Of course it is and of course she has!
Except the only thing that really matters here (in the context of this sport at the moment, not in her life) is how she is competing for this team at this time and whether that puts them in the best position to win. It doesn't currently because of her beam inconsistency. Especially with they way Oklahoma is performing.
Just my two cents and I think she is a beautiful gymnast - but I wish we had the Aleah on beam last year, this year.
For vault, not one of our 1.5s can stick their landings so I cant' really fault her for not doing so, though I do think she has a better chance of stick that than the omelianchik.
On Floor, I think she has been more consistent this year than the last as she had some more trouble with short landings and sitting her passes down last year. That said, she has had one or two inconsistent hits, but other than that has been rock solid.
This issue really has been beam. Even if she has had scores of 9.9+, she should be an auto 9.95-9.975 every time adn she hasn't been. Not only that, but we all know that some of her scores given the balance breaks she had shoudl have been now where near a 9.875, but we got lucky with the scoring. That's the true concern. And before you say, well, its been a lot with the Olympics, etc. and she has tried hard. Of course it is and of course she has!
Except the only thing that really matters here (in the context of this sport at the moment, not in her life) is how she is competing for this team at this time and whether that puts them in the best position to win. It doesn't currently because of her beam inconsistency. Especially with they way Oklahoma is performing.
Just my two cents and I think she is a beautiful gymnast - but I wish we had the Aleah on beam last year, this year.
This post was edited on 3/28/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 3/28/24 at 11:13 am to lsugymfann
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Her first time competing the 1.5 this season she stuck it cold and got a 9.95 (would’ve been a 10 if not for her extra arm swing on the landing) and for a 9.9 at the podium meet (had just a miniscule hop on the landing) and hasn’t had a single fall on that event yet.
So two solid scores and no falls over the course of the season. You're not exactly giving her a compliment.
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As for beam, she’s only fallen once all season and 6/12 are 9.9+ scores for her (8+ are 9.875 or better which isn’t an awful score all things considered. It’s a usable countable score if there’s a fall in the lineup before her).
Getting a 9.9 HALF the time for an Olympic athlete who is a junior is again, not exactly a compliment. She has taken a step back, that's all I'm saying. And that I wish they would make her beam routine slightly easier. She has fallen once but she has had quite a few arm flails/balance checks and one leg coming off. To pretend that 9.875 is a good usable score is being a little obtuse considering the team we are the #2 team in the country and a 9.875 isn't the score you need from your anchor if you're going to beat Oklahoma.
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I think what she’s done for us is more anyone can or should ask of a person
I think your mistaking criticism with hate. I like every single gymnast on this team and she is one of my favorites, but it's a sport and they're competing for a national championship and there's nothing wrong with simply pointing out things you think are weaknesses. Yes, I cross my fingers when she's on beam because as you plainly pointed out, about half the time she is getting you the score she should be. But I'm glad she's on this team and I'd love for her to come through in the clutch.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 2:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
nah we need Aleah's beam we can't do it without her on beam.
If she finds her beam, she is a 10 that is how good she is.
Maybe just change her spot in the lineup or remove some of her triple series.
If she finds her beam, she is a 10 that is how good she is.
Maybe just change her spot in the lineup or remove some of her triple series.
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