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re: Bought into a sinking ship stock

Posted on 11/3/23 at 12:56 am to
Posted by LesThanPrefect
Cenla
Member since Dec 2010
889 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 12:56 am to
Still bag holding 1,300 shares of ZOM. Thanks AncientTiger
Posted by Kipsgto
Member since Sep 2022
40 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 8:08 am to
Yea mine is ITRM. What makes it bad is it’s in a Roth so selling will not help with taxes
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18995 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 8:25 am to
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Forgive me, is that a “company buyback” and it would be for $1-$2 a share? And that’s absolute BEST CASE at this point most likely. Like a 0.00001% chance to win even that opportunity?

No, a bigger pharmaceutical company would buy your 21 million dollar company at a premium.
So if Pzizer or whoever were to buy it for 45.5 million that would equal about $1.40/share.
$1.40 x 32.5 million shares outstanding = 45.5 million

Another way to look at it:
Say Pfizer didn't want to pay more than 30m to buy it.
A 30 million dollar acquisition would yield .92 cents per share.

It is not uncommon for big pharma to pay about 100% premium to acquire a smaller pharma.
Current worth or market cap of the company stands at 21.4 million.

The question is, does any big pharma company want to buy NLPS. No one knows.

Make sense?
This post was edited on 11/3/23 at 8:27 am
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 9:04 am to
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HMBL


Zom
Wkhs
Auph
Sli

One day this board has to be right about one of these startup long plays
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72928 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 9:19 am to
quote:

like $1000 and I’d prefer not to lose it, but if so, lessons learned.


1k? that's child's play. peanuts. try being down 5 figures or losing 5 figures trading.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14974 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 10:45 pm to
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like $1000 and I’d prefer not to lose it, but if so, lessons learned.


quote:

turned a $40 investment into $380 and sold it… it spiked back down shortly after.


Anyone can do this once or twice. No one can make a career out of it.
The lesson to learn:
Get rich slow, and diversify.
High risk, high reward. 9x winnings and 1x losses probably feel about the same. You can continue to research and trade. You’ll have some more wins. You’ll have some more losses. And if you enjoy doing that, by all means, go for it.


But the best financial strategy (and least sexy, more boring) is to stick with broader based investments that won’t grow as fast or lose as much.
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36376 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 10:55 pm to
fricking thank you for real. Made 100% sense.

So now while my shares are worth ~$0.66 at a buyout I would be whatever the buying company would pay for the shares relative to all the shares out there.

And that’s only a BIG IF it’s worth acquiring for a larger entity.

So it’s basically sell at $0.66 and get what I get or hope that on the off chance a buyout happens I may get as much as maybe double that if I’m lucky.

Any idea at all how common it is for a larger pharma WOULD buy? Is there any precedent of it not happening and it just dissolving?

At the end of the day, I’m gambling a long shot on maybe a better bad deal… best of the worst kinda thing
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69930 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:54 am to
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Any idea at all how common it is for a larger pharma WOULD buy?


I would say the probability is almost zero.

I'm not gonna dive too deep into the company's financials, but it seems like they have little to no revenue and a mountain of debt. Unless they own some real estate that is more valuable than the business itself and can cover the debt obligations, it's not even on large pharma's radar.


Personally, I'd sell, take the loss and get the tax write off. It's a lesson learned, but thankfully it doesn't sound like a life altering loss.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2134 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:42 am to
You're not getting it at all. If it isnt something you would invest in today, just sell and cut your losses. What you happened to pay for it is entirely irrelevant (except for tax implications.). Your judgement is clouded by blindly hoping to redeem your poor investment decision by holding on longer. You dont have a solid investment hypothesis for why the stock is likely to appreciate instead you're just grasping at straws.
Good luck though
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72928 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 9:50 am to
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You're not getting it at all.


quote:

just sell and cut your losses.


quote:

Your judgement is clouded by blindly hoping to redeem your poor investment decision by holding on longer. You dont have a solid investment hypothesis for why the stock is likely to appreciate instead you're just grasping at straws.


MOTHER frickING THIS

ALL OF IT!
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72928 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 9:51 am to
quote:

Personally, I'd sell, take the loss and get the tax write off.


yup

quote:

but thankfully it doesn't sound like a life altering loss.


if he is squirming over 1k losses he has ZERO business investing or trading PERIOD! that is peanuts
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
69930 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:35 am to
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if he is squirming over 1k losses he has ZERO business investing or trading PERIOD! that is peanuts



Agreed. If someone doesn't have the stomach or the means to take a $1,000 loss, then they need to stick to buying mutual funds with DCA.

And there's nothing wrong with that, it's a tried and true strategy to build wealth over the long term.
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
3649 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:35 am to
Sometimes losses can be helpful. Could you use the losses and then reinvest that money somewhere else?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18995 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

Any idea at all how common it is for a larger pharma WOULD buy? Is there any precedent of it not happening and it just dissolving?


Most pharma companies fail (run out of money before producing and commercializing an approved drug) or get bought out for a less than desirable price.

Most drugs never make it to FDA approval, and even fewer get approved. After that, commercialization (getting drug to market and in the hands of patients) is very tough. See AUPH.

The stages for this process are pre clinical trials, Phase 1,2,3, then FDA decision.

The most attractive companies to acquire have plenty of cash on hand, a novel drug therapy that has the potential to make 500 million or upwards of a billion dollars annually, and often have significant partnerships already in place.

One caveat here is that big pharma has shifted a bit to acquiring companies with very promising drugs that are still in phase one or two.
It’s all risk/reward. You don’t have to pay nearly as much for an unproven drug.

That said, these deals are still around a billion dollars.
There’s not much hype around 20 million dollar companies.

I truly think the ship has sailed for NLSP. They are worth so little and have no cash on hand. It’s unlikely that a larger company would want to take on a non revenue producing drug and a lot of debt.
That’s not a winning combo.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53177 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:29 pm to
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if he is squirming over 1k losses he has ZERO business investing or trading PERIOD! that is peanuts


Nah
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4126 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:13 am to
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Sometimes losses can be helpful. Could you use the losses and then reinvest that money somewhere else?


There’s that, and also, the OP and every investor and/or trader needs to learn how and when to accept a loss. The people we’ve seen on this and other forums who say they’d rather see their position go to 0 rather than take a loss are destined for failure longer term. One session I sat in at the investment conference last week hammered this point home.

Hoping and praying for a white knight to come in with $ to prop up a shell company is just fantasizing and a waste of time IMO. If after years of waiting, the fundamentals have done nothing but deteriorate, why still be in that position?
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19660 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:29 am to
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Somebody explain to me how investing does not equal gambling?


Good professional gambles always know the odds.
Posted by RFK
Squire Creek
Member since May 2012
1347 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:39 am to
I like Warren Buffet’s sage advice in these situations:

Cut sling load on losers early and often.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28114 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:19 pm to
Is this another aurina. Thread
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
9707 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

Somebody explain to me how investing does not equal gambling?


The house always wins with gambling. Sometimes I think the deck is stacked against the small investor...but I think we can still come out ahead.
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