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Seeding Bare Dirt - Help a Novice

Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:25 pm
Posted by Piece
Member since Aug 2016
211 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:25 pm
Finished new construction earlier this year. Had sod laid in the front yard but didn't want to get it laid in backyard due to size and 2 dogs (who both enjoy digging). Now I have a dirt back yard and need to do something to get some grass growing that can withstand the dogs. I was thinking about seeding, but I know nothing about the what, when or how.

Someone at work suggested perennial rye because it can go fast during fall and should hold up well with the dogs.

Backyard is ~5,000 sq. Ft. Looks like I would need 50lb bag and a spreader. Also looks like I'll need to put fertilizer down first?

I have ~10 wheel barrels of dirt left over from contractor grading that I was going to throw in the back yard first to try to level some low spots. Any advice on how to hand level that?

Any other grass types I should consider?

Should I minimize dogs access to backyard once it's been seeded?

Have no clue what I'm doing, but going to try and get started on it this weekend.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13687 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:49 pm to
Rye is a great call just to get you through the winter. I'd spread pretty heavily, rake it into the dirt a bit so it doesn't all blow/wash away or get eaten by animals, then water the shite out of it for a couple weeks. Can also do annual rye, might be cheaper, but looks different. Either way keep some extra so you can fill in bare spots once you start to see growth. Don't mow for a while. You can put some seed starter fertilizer down, but in my experience with Rye (annual is what I get), that shite doesn't need any help. It literally grows on my driveway


Then plan what to do for permanent grass this winter.

This is assuming you're in Louisiana and need a warm climate grass. Perennial Rye will die out in the heat.

ETA:

Definitely level first, harder once you have grass, but I'm no expert there. I usually do sand and dirt mixed and drag the backside of a metal rake over it to make sure it's flat.

Yes, limit dogs back there as you're trying to grow grass on plain dirt. You can throw straw down lightly to protect the seed a bit too, but some people don't like that.

This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 5:15 pm
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36887 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 5:30 pm to
Rye can be a mess when wet.
Do you plan on eventually letting dogs on it. Dog types?
As CatfishJohn indicated Rye is temporary and heat will kill it when it warms.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6226 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 5:31 pm to
As mentioned rye is your best bet for the winter. You can seed and then throw that extra dirt on top in a thin layer. To level I'd buy a lawn leveling rake off of Amazon. Around $80 and they work wonders.

If it is full sun I'd sod hybrid bermuda in the spring. Not because I like it but because it is going to stand up best to the dogs.
Posted by Piece
Member since Aug 2016
211 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

This is assuming you're in Louisiana and need a warm climate grass. Perennial Rye will die out in the heat.


Yes, guess I should have mentioned that. I'm located in SE Louisiana. Houma more specifically.

Appreciate the advice
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18995 posts
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:12 pm to
Perennial Rye is darker green and a better quality grass.

Annual Rye is lime green and stays heavy and wet unless you start cutting it low and frequently after 3-4 weeks.

For the spring, I recommend sprigging Bermuda. It seems to be more effective than seeding.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13687 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:31 am to
quote:

Perennial Rye is darker green and a better quality grass.

Annual Rye is lime green and stays heavy and wet unless you start cutting it low and frequently after 3-4 weeks.


This is pretty true, but annual is a good bit easier to grow in my experience. I have perennial that actually stays green year round in my zone mixed with RTF fescue (East TN) but cover the Bermuda part of my property in annual every Fall. Perennial is a thicker, sturdier blade and darker. Annual is thinner and whispier and a lighter green. The annual seed will literally grow laying on top of concrete though Perennial needs a bit more TLC.


This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 8:34 am
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