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re: Johnny Cash’s thoughts on country music from his 1997 autobiography.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:58 pm to Honest Tune
Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:58 pm to Honest Tune
I've actually pondered this question myself.
This idea goes back at least to Rockabilly, which essentially was Country Boy Responds To BrightLightsBigCity.
The main audience for Country has been suburban since at least the 1970s. As family farms disappear fewer Country listeners have a direct connection to rural life
This idea goes back at least to Rockabilly, which essentially was Country Boy Responds To BrightLightsBigCity.
The main audience for Country has been suburban since at least the 1970s. As family farms disappear fewer Country listeners have a direct connection to rural life
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:07 pm to Gifman
Both of them are not good vocalists and don't have a bass baritone voice like Cash.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:44 pm to Gifman
quote:gaucho alter?
Cash wasn’t half as good as Luke Bryan or Morgan Wallen. Both have taken country music to new heights and greatness.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 5:54 pm to Kafka
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:52 pm to BogDaHOg
The things I read on that page are basically sentiments I've heard for many previous decades. It's a gut punch, really.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:54 pm to Kafka
I think about time the 60s/70s came around most of the United States population lived in urban areas.
This was the beginning of the purge of any shows with rural settings in favor of shows that were in the big cities.
This was the beginning of the purge of any shows with rural settings in favor of shows that were in the big cities.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:24 pm to dchog
I wish they would bring back Hee Haw.
You could have Larry the Cable Guy doing Junior Samples' parts and maybe George Clooney doing Archie Campbell's skits.
Maybe Marty Stewart and Travis Tritt in place of Buck and Roy. Then for the Hee Haw girls... It would be a long list. Who would be Nurse Goodbody?
I bet a Hee Haw Movie, done right, would pack the theatres.
You could have Larry the Cable Guy doing Junior Samples' parts and maybe George Clooney doing Archie Campbell's skits.
Maybe Marty Stewart and Travis Tritt in place of Buck and Roy. Then for the Hee Haw girls... It would be a long list. Who would be Nurse Goodbody?
I bet a Hee Haw Movie, done right, would pack the theatres.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:59 pm to Kafka
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As family farms disappear fewer Country listeners have a direct connection to rural life
Fewer Americans have a direct connection with reality in general since social media exploded. People live a culturally contrived cartoon version of life now.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:45 am to Honest Tune
Well, that’s kind of the story of country music. The story of country music could be called the southern white diaspora. The country music artist/fan originated in the rural south, then moved to the city, then from the city to the suburbs. Even the original country artists were performing a nostalgic version of a time from decades earlier. Authenticity has been an ongoing debate in country music since the era of live performances on local radio stations.
To his point, even in his era, most country singers weren’t growing up picking cotton. And to answer his question, yes. Part of country music going back to Jimmie Rodgers was developing a certain presentation to the audience.
To his point, even in his era, most country singers weren’t growing up picking cotton. And to answer his question, yes. Part of country music going back to Jimmie Rodgers was developing a certain presentation to the audience.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:53 am to Honest Tune
I read it few years ago. Said he enjoyed a few current singers, and it was Colin Raye, George strait, Alan Jackson, and Steve Warner
Posted on 10/21/23 at 9:29 am to sodcutterjones
That makes sense. Strait and Jackson were considered neo-traditionalists.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:43 am to alajones
There still are a few of us out here farmin hay and trying to keep fences together, maybe more than people realize.
Some of my best stories come from working at the gin in picking season.
Last week we built a bridge by hand across a spring branch so we can drive the tractor across and open up a new hay field down at a creek bottom. It was pine woods 3 years ago and we clear cut it and got rid of all the stumps and crap so it can be worked. A year from now it'll have good grass.
We aint using mules anymore and we can read books, so we can spend our spare time trying to build/play guitars and boats and stuff.
Some of my best stories come from working at the gin in picking season.
Last week we built a bridge by hand across a spring branch so we can drive the tractor across and open up a new hay field down at a creek bottom. It was pine woods 3 years ago and we clear cut it and got rid of all the stumps and crap so it can be worked. A year from now it'll have good grass.
We aint using mules anymore and we can read books, so we can spend our spare time trying to build/play guitars and boats and stuff.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 3:54 pm to Honest Tune
All music formats eventually move on to other artists, so country moving on from Cash and his contemporaries is only natural. I'm sure Ernest Tubb and Gene Autry were salty when Cash and Haggard came along.
It would be cool if there were outlets for the senior artist to get widespread airplay, but it's not how it works.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 4:59 pm to alajones
Strait actually worked on a ranch, so he did have that 'land' connection
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:01 pm to Honest Tune
quote:they all pander/pandered baw, at least part of the time.
He nailed the pandering.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 8:21 pm to alajones
quote:
Well, that’s kind of the story of country music. The story of country music could be called the southern white diaspora.
Johnny Cash is probably my favorite artist of any kind of all time. Having said that, this thread is a veritable bonanza of TD and boomer nostalgic nonsense.
For starters, a lot of wailing about lost history and traditions - and yet no mention at all of the black roots of much of country music (particularly the banjo).
As authentic as JR Cash certainly was, he would have sold his soul for any kind of success - and possibly did. It would have been awesome to see the baws on this board react to the WOKESTER that Cash was in the 60s and 70s - knighting for prisoners and the poor and hating on the Vietnam War.
Hitting the fast 80s, Cash threw his lot in with the HIGHLY COMMERCIAL The Highwaymen. This was an incredible project and you're a bad person if you don't like it - but "reality"? By this point, Cash was an over-the-hill recovering addict with more money than he knew what to do with, swimming in cowboy boots at his guitar-shaped pool in suburban Nashville.
Into the 90s - and in deep obscurity - Cash threw his lot in with a rap and metal producer who pulled a lot of out of him. I love that period, but I'm not sure I'd choose to be confined to the dirge-like nature of his average piece of the time.
All of this is to say - I know he wrote this convenient, self-aggrandizing, wishful passage from the OP...but it's ALL an illusion. People can like today's Nashville pop or not. Who gives a shite what it's called?
WAY TOO MUCH time worrying like eggheads about genre and way less time out living and enjoying shite. You can sing along with a Wallen tune and also love Cocaine Blues (presumably, yet another "born-of-hardscrabble-life-on-the-farm" classic?).
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 9:46 am to Gifman
You should go to Colorado and take a header off the Royal Gorge bridge.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 9:50 am to FightinTigersDammit
Strait was a bulldogger in rodeo. He understands rodeo. Also unlike many country guys, the man knows how to ride a horse.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/22/23 at 12:52 pm to Gifman
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Cash wasn’t half as good as Luke Bryan or Morgan Wallen. Both have taken country music to new heights and greatness.
Definitely one of the worst takes I've seen on the music board in a while.
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