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Regarding Denbrock’s Play Calling

Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:32 am
Posted by mjv1011
Member since Sep 2014
547 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:32 am
It doesn’t work with JD running the show. Square peg round hole sort of thing. But I’m not so sure it doesn’t work otherwise cuz when I see Nuss in the game, there doesn’t seem to be the same problems about Denbrock when you have a QB who can actually throw the ball. Watched all of Nuss highlights from last year and that doesn’t look like an offense that doesn’t work. It seems to me JD can’t do the things being asked if him and if that’s the case then they need to either play Nuss or tailor the game plan more towards what JD can do better like rolling the pocket on most plays. Just my observations.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12261 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:34 am to
By halftime, we had 300 yds offense.
That's a lot.
The red zone play calling continues to be awful, which is why we get deep in their territory with no points.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67591 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:34 am to
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Watched all of Nuss highlights from last year and that doesn’t look like an offense that doesn’t work


you watched every play he ran or just the successful ones? the pick 6 vs southern?
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43894 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:43 am to
I'm gonna tell my kids this was Mike Denbrock
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56664 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:55 am to
quote:

It doesn’t work with JD running the show. Square peg round hole sort of thing. But I’m not so sure it doesn’t work otherwise cuz when I see Nuss in the game, there doesn’t seem to be the same problems about Denbrock when you have a QB who can actually throw the ball. Watched all of Nuss highlights from last year and that doesn’t look like an offense that doesn’t work. It seems to me JD can’t do the things being asked if him and if that’s the case then they need to either play Nuss or tailor the game plan more towards what JD can do better like rolling the pocket on most plays. Just my observations.



I don't really agree.

I don't like the tight formations. I hate that everything is short to intermediate passing. And, I hate how poorly we run the ball.

But, I view all of those things as scheme and philosophy. Play calling worked pretty much all night. We easily could have score 40 if things fall differently.
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
3387 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:56 am to
I am curious after watching some film whether we have any option routes in the system.

For example, look at the first 4th down where JD held too long and got sacked. If Malik has an option route by reading the corner's leverage, he could have broken into the middle for an easy TD. Instead, he swam around to work to the back corner where the DB had good leverage inside, and got open too late for JD.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 10:57 am
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9001 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:10 am to
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It doesn’t work with JD running the show. Square peg round hole sort of thing.


That literally speaks to the incompetence of the OC to adapt his scheme to his players. You call plays that fit your players skill sets. SMH
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28463 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:15 am to
Most of the routes are outside the hashes and one on one matchups. The formations are very predictable and rarely confuse defenses (outside of the 1st play on Sunday). The routes are often long developing timing routes. Daniels has shown hesitancy in throwing those balls. That offensive approach just doesn't fit him. To me, LSU has to have more one-read, quick hitters and use multiple formations more to create the matchups you want so Daniels can get the ball out quicker.

The passing game looks FAR more explosive with Nussmeier at QB because he is not hesitant to throw the ball on contested routes downfield. The downside of that is he's going to throw more INTs because of it. BUT, if this is the passing game the OC refuses to modify then it may be better to play Nussmeier. I don't say that as a knock on Daniels. I think he does some great things Nussmeier can't. But he's just not a match with what Denbrock wants to do. So if the OC isn't going to change his approach (and he's shown he isn't) then the only other choice is to change the QB. Otherwise, expect to continue to get the same results.

Good coaches put their talent in the best position to succeed. Bad coaches complain they don't have the guys to run their "system"
Posted by davidb104
DeRidder
Member since Jun 2014
125 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:19 am to
Does anyone have the time or the inclination to chart each one of Daniels' throws, noting completions, incompletions, interception?
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
1612 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:32 am to
Denbrock can’t use the full playbook with JD in the game. As far as short yardage and goal line, how often does JD check out of plays? I see QB’s on other teams pre read and make adjustments but I don’t see him do that. Maybe they don’t let him? I don’t know but I did see Nuss check out in the SECCG more than once.
Posted by Drayton80
Lake Charles
Member since Oct 2018
813 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:39 am to
JD is a RB. Hard to have a productive down field passing game with a RB throwing. Unfortunately it is needed, because of no rushing attack. Daniels is only effective at throwing balls at the LOS and running. Recipe for lack of points and multiple losses.
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10177 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:40 am to
Red zone play calling was the absolute worst. Probably the biggest game changer on Sunday.
Posted by dukeg7213
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2023
3056 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:41 am to
Yeah but your observations suck honestly.

It was good enough last year to win 10 games and the SEC west.
Posted by BK785
Member since Feb 2013
3181 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:44 am to
With the athletes LSU has on offense, running tight formations is idiocy at its best.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423365 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:46 am to
quote:

It doesn’t work with JD running the show. Square peg round hole sort of thing.

Wait what?

JD makes Denbrock's shitty run scheme go. Desmond Ridder is also a mobile QB, and that was Denbrock's apex.

Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
4393 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 12:05 pm to
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or tailor the game plan more towards what JD can do better like rolling the pocket on most plays.
This is exactly the issue. Jayden can play. The gameplan Sunday night was not called to Jayden's strengths.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 12:07 pm
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
4728 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 12:06 pm to
Not sure why they were going head to head with fsu. Spread the field, go tempo, and create lanes for both the passing and running games.
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