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re: Does Trump deserve any blame for the 2020 election outcome?

Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:58 am to
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:58 am to
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Did he not do enough? Or was he just out outmaneuvered by the Dems?





Did you want him to assume power that was not his? He had zero authority over states.


Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116296 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:01 pm to
Remember when Massie tried to stop Trump from doing this, to save him from himself, and Trump attacked him?

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72625 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:09 pm to
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Thomas Massie
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He just wants the publicity
quote:

throw Massie out of Republican party!


It's interesting that they never want to defend this.
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
14280 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:10 pm to
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Did you want him to assume power that was not his? He had zero authority over states.


Biden issued an Executive Order on Promoting Access to Voting:

LINK
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22817 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:18 pm to
You end corruption in congress by cutting out the underhanded items. Again if members are going to weaponize the process then congressman need to actively fight and eliminate it.

The reality is they really don’t care in congress as this is how they make their money.

Again this is a lose-lose situation for Trump and the party should have handled it.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 12:19 pm
Posted by TexasTiger86
Member since Apr 2017
203 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:24 pm to
Ah, this again. There was already a thread about this. Yes, he signed the bill that passed 96-0 in the Senate and 419-6 in the House. Be honest. Would it have made any sense to veto a bill that passed in both house with a combined 99% majority? If you want to be mad, be mad at all the Republicans in Congress that voted for it. Why do they get a pass?

Also, Massie ended up voting FOR the CARES Act. He didn’t abstain and he didn’t vote against the bill. In fact, only 2 Republicans went on the record as voting against the bill while 12 abstained.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20254 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:25 pm to
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The republican leaders of Maricopa County, AZ are fighting their own candidate.

Explain that.



John McCain
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:28 pm to
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He literally gave them the money to beat him



Congress did
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:29 pm to
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Executive Order on Promoting Access to Voting:



Is not the same as taking control of dem lead states and cities.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116296 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:30 pm to
Good to know Congress can act unilaterally
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22817 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:39 pm to
Again, the legislation was weaponized by congress. He couldn’t veto it because of some small things in it. He would have been crucified over the virus response

If there were honorable people in congress they should have done their job and got it removed.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72625 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:41 pm to
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Also, Massie ended up voting FOR the CARES Act. He didn’t abstain and he didn’t vote against the bill.




So fricking what. Look at what Massie tried to do at the time, and how he was treated by everyone, including Trump. It's disgusting.

You had Trump and most Republicans siding with John fricking Kerry over Massie, all because Massie tried to do right by the Constitution and the citizens of this country.

I don’t give a frick how Massie voted in the end, there's no defending Trump there.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:42 pm to
Not sure what you think a sitting President can do about how each state conducts their elections, but laying blame on Trump for the utter corruption used to defraud the American people by marxist democrats is like blaming the other horses for not winning a horse race when they were all carrying an extra 300 pounds and the winner was hopped up on amphetamines.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52910 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:43 pm to
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Dems cheated. It is 100% on them.


So there was nothing the President of the United States could do?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49756 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:45 pm to
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DJT was complaining back in 2015 about rigged elections.



He whined Ted Cruz cheated to beat him in the very first election he ever participated in.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26622 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:46 pm to
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Not sure what you think a sitting President can do about how each state conducts their elections, but laying blame on Trump for the utter corruption used to defraud the American people by marxist democrats is like blaming the other horses for not winning a horse race when they were all carrying an extra 300 pounds and the winner was hopped up on amphetamines.

Equally as stupid is pretending like Trump didn’t allow the groundwork to be laid for the 2020 election when he abdicated his responsibilities and turned the country over to Karen’s-at-large during the first 6-8 months of Covid.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:46 pm to
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He deserves blame for forcing the uniparty to go out and up the ballots to juuuuuuust enough over 81 million.

Because even Dems know joe didn’t get that many in ALL THE RIGHT PLACES.

I am going to go vote again so I can force the dem party to find enough ballots to get whoever the damn candidate is over 110 mm votes.

It may take 100 million votes to overcome dem cheating. Be one of the 100 million. Save the USA.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
1982 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:47 pm to
He could’ve done a better job at being president.
He could also have just laid low for a few months in 2020 and cruise to a win.

He was incapable of doing either. He just needs a few $$$$$ and he’ll be better in 2024.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:49 pm to
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Equally as stupid is pretending like Trump didn’t allow the groundwork to be laid for the 2020 election when he abdicated his responsibilities and turned the country over to Karen’s-at-large during the first 6-8 months of Covid.


Is that the reason he received more (legal) votes for president than any human in the history of the country, and probably many more than that since the marxists were also cooking the voting machines?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82159 posts
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:54 pm to
Yes he did nothing to fight voter fraud, he somehow lost the first and most important debate (in a blowout) to Joe fricking Biden, and he walked his best supporters into an FBI/CIA/DNC sting in the absolute pit of the Swamp on January 6th and then left them all twisting in the wind for 2+ years.

He's a lazy narcissist.

We still love him, but his time has passed.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 12:57 pm
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