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re: There is a reason young men are rejecting the Church and following guys like Andrew Tate
Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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Wow, for the population on this board that had "Islamic men" as their #1 out group/bad guy for 15+ years,
You know who told them to hate and fear the Islamic boogeyman? The same media that now tells everyone to hate and fear the white conservative boogeyman.
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:40 am to burger bearcat
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Tate delivers more virtue than you would get in about 90%+ of modern church pulpits (Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical)
What church service do attend regularly? This is a serious question.
I have attended Catholic Mass regularly including daily Mass when I can for decades. I’m pretty familiar with the priests and the services in my parish, and some little experience with other parishes and priests.
I even watch a lot of religious content on YouTube, everything from Catholic to mainline Protestant to Muslim (in debates with Christians), and Evangelical.
But I don’t really know how representative my observations are on the totality of religious teaching, even among Catholics.
So I’m wondering how you can paint with such a broad brush about 90% of church pulpits. In my experience in south Louisiana, there are at least half of the priests who are very good homilists.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:42 am to burger bearcat
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It doesn't matter what I get to do or not.
And this right here invalidates your entire thread. It doesn’t matter what you do or don’t understand as long as people here accept whatever moronic thing you are saying? Jesus fricking Christ.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:42 am to CollegeFBRules
You compared a weakness in the church’s messaging and provided Andrew fricking Tate as the model for what the church should be preaching
No I didn't. I was making an observation that young men aren't interested in hearing touchy feely sermons and homilies. So they are gravitating towards guys like Tate
I only know him from a few interviews. So can't speak for his entire history and catalogue. While I don't agree with him on all things, he does say some things that are true and hitting a very sensitive nerve in this culture right now. His message is simply filling a vacuum left by institutions like the Church.
No I didn't. I was making an observation that young men aren't interested in hearing touchy feely sermons and homilies. So they are gravitating towards guys like Tate
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As the father of daughters, I find the message this prick puts out there as terrifying. God help a young man that follows this dickbags message and ever thinks he would treat one of my daughters like that.
I only know him from a few interviews. So can't speak for his entire history and catalogue. While I don't agree with him on all things, he does say some things that are true and hitting a very sensitive nerve in this culture right now. His message is simply filling a vacuum left by institutions like the Church.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:48 am to burger bearcat
No disagreement that most churches have neglected their duty.
Glad that I'm part of one (Prestonwood Baptist -- Dr. Jack Graham) which hasn't. We make it very clear that the only real hope for America is a national revival.
When people move to your area literally for the primary purpose of wanting to be in a solid, Gospel-preaching and Bible-teaching congregation (I know personally of one family which did, and am aware of around half a dozen), you know you're doing something right.
Glad that I'm part of one (Prestonwood Baptist -- Dr. Jack Graham) which hasn't. We make it very clear that the only real hope for America is a national revival.
When people move to your area literally for the primary purpose of wanting to be in a solid, Gospel-preaching and Bible-teaching congregation (I know personally of one family which did, and am aware of around half a dozen), you know you're doing something right.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:53 am to burger bearcat
It's not Tate the person per se (he's very flawed), it's the message.
The same message is coming from Jordan and Rogan.
It is a call for men to re-embrace masculinity and reject being feminized, and boys and men are responding.
Look at the recent surveys showing more and more high school boys consider themselves conservatives.
The same message is coming from Jordan and Rogan.
It is a call for men to re-embrace masculinity and reject being feminized, and boys and men are responding.
Look at the recent surveys showing more and more high school boys consider themselves conservatives.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 7:58 am to burger bearcat
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How many Pastors or Priests are delivering this message?
Pretty much all the priests I am around do. I am a member of a lay movement lead by non-parish priests. They all are manly priests who speak biblical truths.
Hell, some of them lead a 3 week back country Alaska “retreat” each year for dads and sons which is all pretty much done while rafting and living off the land.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:14 am to Snipe
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Andrew Tate talks about his faith and God but everything about his message is "Chase worldly things to become happy and successful."
Andrew Tate is a used car salesman for beta males that desperately want to be alpha's.
This. 100%. It's odd the OP thinks this type of message is what the church should be putting out.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:17 am to burger bearcat
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He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family.
Unfortunately his actions run counter to his words. Mixed messaging defeats his purpose .
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:22 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:27 am to burger bearcat
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He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family.
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all the messaging is just feel good, happy talk, basically self help lectures
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
I’ve never bothered to listen to people like Tate because I have confidence success and a grounded faith however your description sounds like he’s a self help life coach.
Also if you can’t find a church that doesn’t tell men especially young men “don’t watch porn and guard your heart” you haven’t looked very hard. I’ve never had a church that doesn’t do that. Also I’ve never had a church that didn’t have a fairly routine Dave Ramsey study-get your finances in order. I could continue but no need
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:33 am to burger bearcat
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Just from listening to a few Andrew Tate interviews, as sad as this sounds, Tate delivers more virtue than you would get in about 90%+ of modern church pulpits (Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical)
He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family.
And even tells women to be chaste, be nurturing, be innocent. (Yes, I am aware of his background, I am simply discussing his message, not necessarily his past behaviors)
How many Pastors or Priests are delivering this message? The modern church is completely feminized, the churches are ran by the women in the congregation, from the music, the skinny jean Pastors or weak, effeminate Priests. I call it Ned Flanders Christianity, all the messaging is just feel good, happy talk, basically self help lectures. It's all about "being nice", which is not a virtue and never mentioned anywhere in scriptures. Nice men are not necessarily good men.
Young men want to hear marching orders, battle plans, they want to know who the enemy is, how he presents himself in the world, and how they should be fighting him.
They are not getting this message inside the church. And this is why even deeply flawed individuals like Tate or even secular, non-religous individuals like Peterson or Rogan are where young men are gravitating to, and not the Church.
I see you're a Matt Walsh subscriber.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:41 am to burger bearcat
The majority of churches in northern states seem to be outright blasphemous- supporting homosexuality, abortion and general immorality, probably in an effort to shield themselves from their own crimes. It’s no surprise there is a general exodus from the north by young men who can see through the falsehoods of northern society
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:51 am to burger bearcat
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young men aren't getting the message delivered to them in church,
Young men CHOOSE not to hear the message from the Church. They think going to church makes them look weak minded. I spent 20 years in a Pentecostal Holiness Church and the way I lived my life was out of obligation. "Do this or you don't love Jesus" or "if you do that, you don't love Jesus." Once I realized that "Loving God" has nothing to do with the "do's" and the "don'ts" but rather BELIEVING Jesus is exactly who the Bible says He is, is when I learned how to truly serve others. Jesus gave only TWO commandments, Love God and Love people. And go into all of the world and make disciples of this doctrine.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:53 am to pankReb
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Statements like this pushes the narrative that all churches cover for child sex abuse. It's no different than the idea that White people are inherently racist.
Or that all politicians are crooked and the government is out to get you. Is too general but those placed into narratives generally are there because of things done but covered up therefore giving the narrative more fuel. The church covered so much up that it begs the question, what is still covered up and how widespread was it really? The narrative is their own doing.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 9:03 am to mwade91383
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How is that still okay with anyone? It’s gross, frankly.
I don't think you'd find many modern Christians that are okay with child sexual abuse obviously. I think the modern left however hates the church, god and anything not overtly woke so at times you see republican politicians protecting church interests because if the left had their way, christianity would be erradictaed entirely.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 9:09 am to VictoryTiger
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The majority of churches in northern states seem to be outright blasphemous- supporting homosexuality, abortion and general immorality, probably in an effort to shield themselves from their own crimes. It’s no surprise there is a general exodus from the north by young men who can see through the falsehoods of northern society
I feel like one of the biggest issues facing modern Christians are a lack of biblical knowledge. When you don't read the bible and have an idea of what it says, you can fall for messages that have charasmatic delivery but poor theology.
Me personally, if I walked in a church and it taught entirely unbiblical principles, not marginally unbiblical where there can be some debate but completely and entirely unbiblical, the solution is simple. I'd leave that church.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 9:11 am to burger bearcat
The Christian church no longer holds true to biblical teachings
Posted on 8/3/23 at 9:18 am to burger bearcat
I whole hearted agree that influences such as Tate, etc. are what todays young males can gravitate towards, and get inspiration.
I believe the Church is equally important. Not all priests can relate and have trouble delivering...the hope is that someone can peer through and find the pastor for them.
I think that religious leaders and cultural leaders can, and should, run parallel. So long as they have pure, inspirational, messages.
I believe the Church is equally important. Not all priests can relate and have trouble delivering...the hope is that someone can peer through and find the pastor for them.
I think that religious leaders and cultural leaders can, and should, run parallel. So long as they have pure, inspirational, messages.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 9:19 am to burger bearcat
I wouldn't paint all churches with such a wide brush. The church I attend has plenty to say about monogamy, responsibility and loving your neighbor.
The most important part, however, is the blood.
God the Father won't ask you on judgement day whether you were virtuous, monogamous or responsible; he'll look to see if you've been washed in the Blood.
The most important part, however, is the blood.
God the Father won't ask you on judgement day whether you were virtuous, monogamous or responsible; he'll look to see if you've been washed in the Blood.
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