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re: Next game - Sunday v Philly
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
Think Seabron looked good most of SL but still not sure it translates to real NBA. Feels like teams would just sag off him and take away the drives.He’s got good length a nd can be a grab and go guy, but job 1 for Pels is better and more 3 point shooting….
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Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:31 pm to New City Champ
They're developing him. He can be as effective as Tyreke Evans before he learned how to shoot. Seabron can get to the basket even if his defender sags offs. Probably won't be as effective since we don't have interior spacing right now but his skillset is elite enough that you can afford to find out if he can develop a shot. He shot 77% from the line the past year in the gleague so there should be some optimism.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:03 am to MrJimBeam
quote:
Seabron should get any minutes earmarked for Kira.
I think he probably will (hint: there are no minutes earmarked for Kira
)
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:08 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
Seabron should get any minutes earmarked for Kira.
A better way to think about Seabron is that he's the next Naji Marshall. Naji is on a minimum contract this season, and he will be a UFA after this year, and he will likely make more than the minimum in 2024-25 on another team.
Successful teams need to find/develop players on minimum contracts who can contribute.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:34 am to GOP_Tiger
I’m fine with him being in a Naji role depending on what we do with our other guards.
He should only be out there with the second unit anyway, with his ability to score and poor defense being offset by the likes of Dyson who can defend like a motherfricker but whose offense hasn’t fully come along yet.
He should only be out there with the second unit anyway, with his ability to score and poor defense being offset by the likes of Dyson who can defend like a motherfricker but whose offense hasn’t fully come along yet.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:55 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
Seabron should get any minutes earmarked for Kira.
I think he probably will (hint: there are no minutes earmarked for Kira
This is dumb. Kira will definitely get minutes for 2 reasons.
1. He missed a whole season and is finally healthy. So it’s fair to see how he looks and can contribute.
2. Other teams need to see him play so we can trade him
Is this where we compare Seabron who is beating up on Summer League players vs Kira who again has had good showings in the actual NBA?
This isn’t a Kira defense post. I am all aboard trading him and seeing what Seabron can do.
BUT to base it off of what Seabron has done in Summer League while disregarding Kira’s good plays in the actual NBA is BS.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:02 am to Dantheman504
quote:The only way Kira gets regular rotation minutes is when injuries occur.
This is dumb. Kira will definitely get minutes for 2 reasons.
1. He missed a whole season and is finally healthy. So it’s fair to see how he looks and can contribute.
2. Other teams need to see him play so we can trade him
Otherwise, his minutes will be few and far between. 9 minutes here, 3 DNPs, then 7 minutes there. Until injuries hit, then he may get regular minutes while guys are out.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:14 am to Dantheman504
quote:
This is dumb. Kira will definitely get minutes for 2 reasons.
1. He missed a whole season and is finally healthy. So it’s fair to see how he looks and can contribute.
2. Other teams need to see him play so we can trade him
You really think he gets minutes over the below 10 guys? And this list doesn't even include Hawkins, who has a more unique skillset compared to the rest of our team and was just taken 14th overall by this front office and coaching staff.
CJ
Jose
Dyson
Herb
Zion
BI
JV
Larry
Naji
Trey
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:39 am to DallasTiger45
Like you said, lets look at it this way on the 'Point guard' list: McCollum/Alvarado/Daniels
Here's the "Shooting guard" list: Jones/Marshall & Occasionally you'll see a line up with McCollum/Ingram/Zion/Murphy/Nance where Ingram becomes the "SG".
Even if you move McCollum to SG as well, there's not many minutes left. Hell, I'm not even sure Hawkins gets much more than 10 minutes a game at most; I think he's not even going to contribute early, similarly to TM3 and DD
Add Liddell to the list of players you have and IDK where minutes will come from.
Here's the "Shooting guard" list: Jones/Marshall & Occasionally you'll see a line up with McCollum/Ingram/Zion/Murphy/Nance where Ingram becomes the "SG".
Even if you move McCollum to SG as well, there's not many minutes left. Hell, I'm not even sure Hawkins gets much more than 10 minutes a game at most; I think he's not even going to contribute early, similarly to TM3 and DD
Add Liddell to the list of players you have and IDK where minutes will come from.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:22 am to Dantheman504
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while disregarding Kira’s good plays in the actual NBA is BS
Its also BS for you to ignore the bad plays Kira has made in the actual NBA, which unfortunately far exceed the good plays.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:15 am to LSUgrad88
Is this where we talk about how Kira is older than Seabron and that y’all all think he’s peaked in his career? (He isn’t by the way)
Dyson has played 59 games averaging 17.7 minutes. That’s 1,050 minutes last season.
Kira has played 103 games averaging 14 minutes. That’s 1,450 minutes. Total
He’s only played 400 minutes more than Dyson. That’s 20 games per 20 minutes. And again y’all are acting like he’s shown everything he can and can’t improve.
Y’all want to talk about how it’s time to move on and we can’t afford him sure. But all this “he’s shown us what he can do” and “he’s a bust” is straight bullshite. None of you know any of that.
He could very well end up a bust and I’m not arguing that we should keep him. But y’alls reasoning why and confidence about that opinion is ignorant. We absolutely have no clue where he could be in 2-3 years.
He never really got to play with Zion, never played with CJ, and barely even played with BI. We’ve only had garbage on the court for him to play with and teach him.
Dyson has played 59 games averaging 17.7 minutes. That’s 1,050 minutes last season.
Kira has played 103 games averaging 14 minutes. That’s 1,450 minutes. Total
He’s only played 400 minutes more than Dyson. That’s 20 games per 20 minutes. And again y’all are acting like he’s shown everything he can and can’t improve.
Y’all want to talk about how it’s time to move on and we can’t afford him sure. But all this “he’s shown us what he can do” and “he’s a bust” is straight bullshite. None of you know any of that.
He could very well end up a bust and I’m not arguing that we should keep him. But y’alls reasoning why and confidence about that opinion is ignorant. We absolutely have no clue where he could be in 2-3 years.
He never really got to play with Zion, never played with CJ, and barely even played with BI. We’ve only had garbage on the court for him to play with and teach him.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:29 am to Dantheman504
quote:If I had my choice between the two, I would lean towards Kira. However, the salary is the huge tie breaker. He just is not worth that salary.
Is this where we talk about how Kira is older than Seabron and that y’all all think he’s peaked in his career? (He isn’t by the way)
Dyson has played 59 games averaging 17.7 minutes. That’s 1,050 minutes last season.
Kira has played 103 games averaging 14 minutes. That’s 1,450 minutes. Total
He’s only played 400 minutes more than Dyson. That’s 20 games per 20 minutes. And again y’all are acting like he’s shown everything he can and can’t improve.
Y’all want to talk about how it’s time to move on and we can’t afford him sure. But all this “he’s shown us what he can do” and “he’s a bust” is straight bull shite. None of you know any of that.
He could very well end up a bust and I’m not arguing that we should keep him. But y’alls reasoning why and confidence about that opinion is ignorant. We absolutely have no clue where he could be in 2-3 years.
He never really got to play with Zion, never played with CJ, and barely even played with BI. We’ve only had garbage on the court for him to play with and teach him.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:39 am to Dantheman504
Are we playing a 13 man rotation? Because that's pretty much the only way that Kira is seeing the floor.
Which guard/wing is he getting minutes over?
BI
CJ
Trey
Herb
Naji
Dyson
Jose
Hawkins (this is possibly the only one but I don't think either see the floor much)
I just listed all of the guys who could see time at the 1 or 2. There are 7 players before getting to someone that Kira may possibly play over if the team is healthy.
Which guard/wing is he getting minutes over?
BI
CJ
Trey
Herb
Naji
Dyson
Jose
Hawkins (this is possibly the only one but I don't think either see the floor much)
I just listed all of the guys who could see time at the 1 or 2. There are 7 players before getting to someone that Kira may possibly play over if the team is healthy.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:40 am to NOSHAU
quote:
If I had my choice between the two, I would lean towards Kira. However, the salary is the huge tie breaker. He just is not worth that salary.
Yeah the salary makes me lean seabron. Plus the size too. CJ and jose are already small, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have another small guard in kira. Seabron at 6'6 can be a bigger guard behind them
Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:21 am to Dantheman504
quote:The issue you're not acknowledging is there are no minutes for Kira.
Is this where we talk about how Kira is older than Seabron and that y’all all think he’s peaked in his career? (He isn’t by the way)
Dyson has played 59 games averaging 17.7 minutes. That’s 1,050 minutes last season.
Kira has played 103 games averaging 14 minutes. That’s 1,450 minutes. Total
He’s only played 400 minutes more than Dyson. That’s 20 games per 20 minutes. And again y’all are acting like he’s shown everything he can and can’t improve.
Y’all want to talk about how it’s time to move on and we can’t afford him sure. But all this “he’s shown us what he can do” and “he’s a bust” is straight bullshite. None of you know any of that.
You insinuated he'd be in the rotation, which there is virtually zero chance of. But if you think he'll be in the rotation, tell us how many minutes and who are you taking out of the rotation?
Here's a general breakdown, I'm already at 240 and didn't even get to add Hawkins minutes. Plus there's Naji who is also ahead of Kira in the pecking order:
CJ 34
Trey 32
BI 34
Zion 32
JVal 24
Jose 16
Herb 28
Dyson 20
Nance 18
Hawkins...
Naji...
Kira...
Where is Kira getting steady rotation minutes?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:22 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Injuries are the only way Kira will get consistent rotation minutes.
Are we playing a 13 man rotation? Because that's pretty much the only way that Kira is seeing the floor.
Otherwise, it'll be some DNPs then a random 8 minutes here, then more DNPs and a random 12 minutes there.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 11:54 am to shel311
You're talking as if this team doesn't have at least one long-term injury per year.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 12:06 pm to PelsRoe318
quote:
You're talking as if this team doesn't have at least one long-term injury per year.
You are lowballing that number..
Over/under on the amount of games the top 6 players miss this upcoming season? 120?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:10 pm to shel311
quote:
Where is Kira getting steady rotation minutes?
I am not a coach or a member of the Pelicans FO so I do not know.
We didn’t guarantee his 6mil dollar contract to not play him. We had absolutely no reason to do that. If it was to trade him then his value doesn’t go up by sitting on the bench.
Do I like Seabron more for the cost right now? Yes.
Do I think Kira will be on our team at the end of next season? No
Will Kira get benched if he plays like shite? Yes
Are we going to just not play him after guaranteeing 6mil when we didn’t have to?
Are we going to not play him while also convincing teams to take him?
Are we going to sit him after he finally got back from a 1 year injury and still has unknowns?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:15 pm to Dantheman504
I’m not disagreeing that Kira won’t get a chance if he’s still on the roster.
But comparing Seabron to Kira isn’t too crazy.
Kira played liked absolute dogshit in the SL he played in. Absolute dogshit. And that was on a SL team with a lot of talent around him.
You reference good nba plays, but his career high is 16 points and was a very long time ago. There hasn’t been that much good tbh.
But comparing Seabron to Kira isn’t too crazy.
Kira played liked absolute dogshit in the SL he played in. Absolute dogshit. And that was on a SL team with a lot of talent around him.
You reference good nba plays, but his career high is 16 points and was a very long time ago. There hasn’t been that much good tbh.
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