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re: CNN has the recording.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:46 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:46 am to Fun Bunch
Trump's continuing to make public defenses (not what any defense lawyer would advise, btw), and changing his story on this. He started off saying that he was talking about articles (which is bizarre because he's talking about how they're confidential) and now that he was making bragging claims about his golf courses. I guess he's trying to influence the jury pool. Any other idea on this weird strategy?
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Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:47 am to TigerDoc
You're a dumbass. There is no document.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:48 am to jawnybnsc
There are hundreds of documents. They charged 31 of them. Many of them are too secret to even be publicly disclosed.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 9:49 am
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:48 am to jawnybnsc
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You don't determine what I'm invested in. What I'm invested in is the Rule of Law. My government, the one that I pay through the nose for and the one that is enslaving my children with debt, is using it's power to PERSECUTE a former President. They have played fast and loose with the rules ever since the man declared he was running for office. They are defending their prerogatives to go on with such abuses against him AND against anyone that stands in their way. This isn't hard to understand.
All of that may be true but its irrelevant to the conversation I am having.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:48 am to TigerDoc
OK. Which one is the Secret Iran War Plan that is being discussed on the tape that is the subject of this discussion?
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:50 am to jawnybnsc
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THERE IS NO DOCUMENT
I guess the feds don't need to find it then. That leaves them with a recording of Trump saying he still possesses classified documents and knows they don't become declassified simply by being in his possession.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:51 am to TigerDoc
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There are hundreds of documents. They charged 31 of them. Many of them are too secret to even be publicly disclosed.
Who told you this?
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:51 am to 94LSU
Which is meaningless. He's already asserted his rights. It doesn't matter what he said on some recording. He can't make the law appear or disappear.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:51 am to jawnybnsc
If Trump's lawyers are competent, he'll make the defense that this document being in evidence and/or this conversation occurring in NJ makes it immaterial to his case, but the prosecution will argue that this recording and the testimony of up to 6 witnesses to the Grand Jury relevant to his state of mind about the nature of the documents he'd retained, whether they're his or their classified and who should see them is relevant.
It will be adjudicated, baw.
It will be adjudicated, baw.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:52 am to BBONDS25
Read journalism, Bonds.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:52 am to 94LSU
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I guess the feds don't need to find it then. That leaves them with a recording of Trump saying he still possesses classified documents and knows they don't become declassified simply by being in his possession.
He says that on the tape?
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:53 am to jawnybnsc
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OK. Which one is the Secret Iran War Plan that is being discussed on the tape that is the subject of this discussion?
Once again, they do not need to have it. You saying they do is patently false. There would be other ways to corroborate Trump's confession.
2nd, there are what? 36? Other charges in the indictment about a variety of other documents? So the discussion on that is rather moot.
They are using the audio as a framing device at worst. Trump: admitting to having documents he should not, saying he KNEW he should not have them, and pretending to show them to an audience.
And then showing that he had a variety of other documents he refused to return, that he should not have, and was improperly storing said documents.
This is not hard.
(and AGAIN: I think the DOJ are scum and shouldn't be doing this)
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:53 am to BBONDS25
These frickers are so stupid.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:53 am to TigerDoc
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journalism
The same journalists that got you to make a fool of yourself for years over the “Russia conspiracy?” Perhaps some healthy skepticism would be wise. You know, not just when it goes against your biases.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
He has the right to retain the documents and it's a civil matter. There is no case for this being espionage. Now go frick yourself.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
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There would be other ways to corroborate Trump's confession.
If the tape is to be believed as true and not just puffery, then nobody else saw the documents. So how would they corroborate? This is evidence 101.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:55 am to Fun Bunch
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I think they are using the audio as an attempt to frame the nature of his "crimes": that he was sloppy, that he bragged about having documents he knew he shouldn't have, and he did have documents he shouldn't have had and was required to return once requested.
This seems to be more likely to me. When you read the next paragraph in the indictment Trump allegedly shows a PAC representative a classified map of a country and says that “he should not be showing the map to the PAC Representative and not to get to close.” Much more likely that this stuff will be offered to prove a general state of mind that he knows classified materials are something that the government protects. Read it in conjunction with other quotes from Trump in the indictment about the importance of protecting government secrets.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:55 am to jawnybnsc
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These frickers are so stupid.
This is a lack of self awareness friend.
I am telling you, as a lawyer, you are mostly not correct in your assertion.
IF they do not have the document, and IF they have no other way to corroborate Trump's confession, it would be an issue for this one singular instance.
But again, I don't think they are using the tape like you think they are.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:55 am to 94LSU
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They can't find the documents, asked Trump to return them and have him on tape claiming to have them. They also have a bunch of evidence of Trump conspiring to hide other docs they requested he return. Who knows if it's true but all that evidence exists and makes a compelling case to bring to a jury.
Yeah, its a witch hunt
But how can they not see that he continually willingly puts himself in these situations
Hés an idiot, I wouldn't trust him to manage a car wash, much less a nation
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:55 am to BBONDS25
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He says that on the tape?
Unfortunately yes.
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“All sorts of stuff – pages long, look. Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this.”
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“See, as president I could have declassified it, but now I can’t.”
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