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re: Start here? Trade school ???

Posted on 5/5/23 at 8:14 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64492 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 8:14 pm to
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My son, instead of going the CC trade route, got a job with one of the largest electrical contractors in South Louisiana (non union).



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they send you to journeyman classes that meet two nights a week, all for free. To complete the whole course it takes 4 years


So it is or isn't a union job? I think some IBEW posts are wonderful, others are not wonderful.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23959 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 8:21 pm to
Machinists and nurses can work wherever and whenever they want.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
1361 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 9:29 pm to
My best friend is in the installation side of HVAC. Good money but he hates his life. The money and the company he works for is flexible with his family time so he keeps showing up. He had a small construction business in his 20's but the money just isn't there like HVAC.
Posted by TTU97NI
Celina, TX
Member since Mar 2017
1141 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 9:33 pm to
Damn you people! are awesome great advice and logic. I will have him read all these replies and talk about it.

So we had a plumber come to the house and he recommended plumbing, but he got in on a FIL company. We have a HVAC fella at the end of the street so I will set up a simple meeting with him as well. Man I'm 50 and I was in the mind frame that a college degree (basket weaving) just anything and you can be a man, well these days are different. I went Petroleum Engineering and still do. But my kids and family have all experienced the ups and WAY downs. I want something he can rely on that is always steady. People will always want AC and toilets and Electricity.
I agree with most, work hard and start your own company. Most service people that are on their own say, " man I wish I did this 10 years ago" I know it a leap, but its the way to go.

I have 2 boys and I have always told them, the only way to get ahead is to work for yourself. I'm pinned in, but they are not.

Thanks to all for listening and responding.

Sorry for the rant and the ramblings
Lee
Posted by Lesalli
Member since Apr 2013
720 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 12:02 am to
Another less thought of option is a barber. 3 cuts an hour at $25+tips each. Mine does appointment only and stays booked up. 20-25 cuts a day.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19897 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:22 am to
I went to trade school for A/C finished did it for a few years. Now a plant operator
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 8:22 am to
Years ago worked as police officer at night. Went for my BA and Masters at UCLA. Since I was 10 yrs from eligibility to retire it was hard to leave my government job. I stayed on nights to go back to school.

Went back to diesel tech school during the day. California, back in the 80’s had some real good vo-tech schools. When I got out of school I went to a dealer working part time. Got my certifications. Owned a shop and branched to small engine repair.
Made a good living for myself plus have a government pension.

Now in retirement I work at a shop helping to train two young adults on diesel truck repair and CNG truck repair.

All I can say is find a trade they like.
They have to apply themselves in school and after school on the jobsite. Takes time to buy equipment, tools, etc. Then they can eventually start their own business.

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39131 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 8:31 am to
HVAC plumbing or electrical
I’ve been a GC for 20 yrs. if I knew then what I know now I’d have skipped college and started a service company

it is the quickest way to wealth and work/life balance
Posted by doublecutter
Hear & Their
Member since Oct 2003
6614 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 8:38 am to
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So it is or isn't a union job?


No, it's not a union job. But right now, he's on a prevailing wage jobsite so he's getting approximately union wages. Hence the $28 an hour as a helper or apprentice. He claims that the journeymen who he works with on that jobsite are being paid $42 an hour.

But if he was to be assigned to a non prevailing wage jobsite, the company would drop his hourly pay. He says that right now he is making as much being a helper on a prevailing wage job than a journeyman on a non prevailing wage job.

This is second jobsite in a row that the company assigned him to that is prevailing wage, so for the last 2 years he's been making union scale even though he's not in the union.

I'm just relieved that he found something that he could make a good living at and stuck with the apprenticeship . He went to college for a few years then knocked around for awhile- bartending, worked at a wine store, etc. He seems to be dedicated to being an electrician.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 8:47 am
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
39131 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:23 am to
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He seems to be dedicated to being an electrician.
in the commercial world a good electrician who doesn’t look/act like a complete derelict can pretty much name his price as far as wage goes
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
5863 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 1:27 pm to
Lineman school. One of my best friends did it guaranteed job if you graduate catch is you will only get one job offer and you have to go there or no job guaranteed.

He paid I think $6k in 2005 graduated that summer got a job offer in Alaska and has lived in Alaska Puerto Rico and sone plenty of jobs in lower 48. He is barehand certified now and does tons of helicopter work which generally does not pay as well but you will be better than everybody else in the field and instructor opportunity and foreman positions are much more likely.


Big thing to understand about this is if you just going to be a lineman in the city or locally you will not get paid as much and from my understanding is kind of looked down by the pros bs they don’t no how to deal with crazy scenarios and complex problems and issue you have while out on the side of a mountain or over a lake in remote areas when you go to South America Canada Alaska North Dakota’s etc…money is good from my understanding and after I think 3-5years I think you have paid your dues and are full union I think. Not positive.


If you’re interested I’ll ask my buddy what course your son should do or when you should google and contact. I think he is an instructor in Alaska so rn idk if he is teaching barehand or not, I think barehand is only taught in like New Mexico or some shite
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19659 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 2:02 pm to
I am assuming you are in the upstream side so you should know, everything is becoming automated.

The more I think about it, I&E over HVAC. Robots have to be programmed and everything is going that way. I think it was Transocean and Equinor just drilled a well completely remotely, no one on the drill floor.

Manufacturing is all robots now and big money in troubleshooting/fixing them when they are down.

Just in O&G, a good rig or production I&E can pull 200k, I would assume downstream is the same.

The world is Naturally getting warmer, normal cycle. HVAC will always be needed. If he get his own business there is damn good money on the commercial/industrial install side.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68739 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 3:50 pm to

Relay technician.

Electric utilities pay them well.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10819 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 5:10 pm to
Tell him to go for industrial electrician or west Texas structural welder. He’ll be making 80k to start.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10819 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 5:13 pm to
Tell him to download BoomNation and start networking and actually talking to real people in every trade. It’s very useful
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
59005 posts
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:28 pm to
I have a number of friends in the trade industry. All make good money. One of my plumber friends, only does new home construction. Has a big warehouse, bulk orders water heaters, tubs, fixtures and showers. Makes good money, no night calls.
HVAC, at times, you could work 24 hrs a day.
My friend that’s an electrician, he taught at the trade school years ago, but works full time and does small jobs on the side.
Posted by DeBerryJacket
DeBerry
Member since Dec 2014
333 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:13 am to
Tell him to go be a lineman. Will have a job anywhere he wants to go.
Posted by LSUPhreaK
LaPlace, La.
Member since Dec 2003
10911 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 12:14 pm to
I would lean to I&E over operations if he’s young. Most things are becoming more automated and operator roles are starting to change. Ops is good money, but it surely isn’t totally future proof. Someone needs to troubleshoot and calibrate all these instruments.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27566 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:38 pm to
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The topic of trade school came up, HVAC, electrical or plumbing. What are the thoughts of the masses on this?


Tell him to intern with some of the bigger companies and learn the grunt stuff and what he wants to specialize in. There may be only a dollar or 2 separating what discipline he really wants to do. Don't let chump change sway his decision when working 8 hours a day.


- Go to school

- Move away from where you want to live.

- Work for a smaller outfit and learn all the ends and outs.

- Go back home and start your own business.

Profit.
Posted by Thedirkdiggler13
Very near
Member since Sep 2017
225 posts
Posted on 5/7/23 at 2:43 pm to
Elevator mechanic!! Very specialized and few companies. Guys make 100 + hr
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