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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:23 am to
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:23 am to
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we will not go into an active war with china. China is in a bad situation no matter what


While that may be true, you’re applying somewhat practical thought to what will likely be impractical people.

The communist party of China will do whatever it takes to keep and maintain power… they don’t give a shite about the other stuff. If they view war as the best or only way to maintain political power, they’ll do it.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:27 am to
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this...

Look at the red tape it took to shoot down a balloon


All branches of the military have plans on the shelf to deal with an effort by China to retake Taiwan. Biden has stated flatly that the US WILL defend Taiwan. Prior presidents were not as hard-line on the topic as he is.

You can dismiss Biden as a doddering old fool. But he has been absolutely firm on China and Taiwan.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:28 am to
quote:

While that may be true, you’re applying somewhat practical thought to what will likely be impractical people.

The communist party of China will do whatever it takes to keep and maintain power… they don’t give a shite about the other stuff. If they view war as the best or only way to maintain political power, they’ll do it.


I wonder how demographics play into this. Sons are cherished in China. An invasion of Taiwan will lose a lot of sons. I have heard estimates that the casualties could run over a million. Losses like that could threaten a regime.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
18720 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:37 am to
US Army Spec Ops air crew dad here.

He’s deploying all the time anyway, war with Chyna or not my son was in harms way more than 1/2 the year last year.

By harms way I mean places where, while on missions, people were actively shooting at his aircraft and he was firing back.

People think there is t a lot going on right now, but between Africa and the Middle East we have a lot of hot spots.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:38 am to
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Africa


You are absolutely right. I hear there is a lot popping off there.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:43 am to
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You are absolutely right. I hear there is a lot popping off there.



yeppir
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
11862 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:57 am to
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no offense but this shows complete lack of understand of china's situation.

we will not go into an active war with china. China is in a bad situation no matter what

#1- they are a net importer of food and energy
#2- they have an extremely aging population
#3- they have an uneducated population

that are not going to attack taiwan because

#1- the russians have shown in ukraine that their weapons and doctrine are no match for the West. China has most of the same weapons and the same doctrine

#2 even if they took taiwan and successfully kept all the micro processor plants 100% operational, they can not run them. we know this because they stole the tech to build their own years ago and have built them....guess what, they cant run them, they dont have the education to do so and decades of communist rule has hendered development in education.

#3 the min that we put sanctions on them, they are fricked. They cant break a naval blockade and famine would kill hundreds of millions in short order if we put the type of sanctions on them, we put on Russia and that is exactly what would happen if they get out of line

#4 only 1 country in the world has the economy and resource to bail them out should they frick up and its us. They know this, we know they know this and so we know they are just always posturing to maintain control.


so the TLDR version, china cant do shite because they cant feed their populace without us.

CHINA IS a-hole!!!


Your response is lucid, logical, and very persuasive.

However, you ignore some very important facts:

#1 The CCP does not care about the overall well-being of its people. It very well will go to war knowing that millions of its citizens will die in conflict and million more will die from famine. They do NOT care.

#2 The CCP does not merely want Taiwan. They want the entire region from Sea of Japan all the way down to and including Andaman Sea to the Java Sea.

#3 They view Russia's failings in Ukraine as a product of Russia's culture of stupidity. CCP believes they are always the smartest government in the room.

#4 If the Western powers that be and the MIL want a shooting war with China, you bet your arse there will be a shooting war with China.

#5 Never apply logical solutions to situations which involve desperate, power-hungry, and selfish men.
Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
19706 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:08 am to
My son has been on the Seal teams for 18 years. He is planning his retirement in the next couple years. Hopefully he will get out before anything goes down. They offered him a Warrant officer school slot. Not sure if he will take it because he would have to extend his enlistment.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72591 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:11 am to
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I wasn't speaking for my son. He is belt-fed and ready.

I was speaking as a parent.


Pro tip from a Marine...your son hates it when you do shite like this.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:15 am to
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Pro tip from a Marine...your son hates it when you do shite like this.


He doesn't know.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72591 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:19 am to
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He doesn't know.


Good on you for keeping that to yourself.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:21 am to
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Good on you for keeping that to yourself.


Is that you, son?

Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
18720 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:24 am to
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hear there is a lot popping off there.


Chyna is involved there heavily. If we square off against the Chicoms it will start in Africa.
Posted by Armymann50
Playing with my
Member since Sep 2011
17149 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:33 am to
do you like the enlisted or officer son in law better?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72591 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:41 am to
I was in your son's shoes a decade ago.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6867 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:41 am to
I'm closer to the SIL in the Army; however, I like them both equally.

The SIL who is a Gunny, he's a tip-of-the-spear kind of guy. For a long time, he was an instructor in the Marine school of infantry. At work, he's 100% a gunny, no-nonsense don't frick with me. At home, he's a great father to the grandkids.

This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 11:42 am
Posted by Gee
Member since Aug 2013
41 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:30 pm to
Thank him for his service. From experience, you will worry daily. Semper fi
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:33 pm to
A country bought and paid for by China isn’t going to war with China
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31423 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

While that may be true, you’re applying somewhat practical thought to what will likely be impractical people.

The communist party of China will do whatever it takes to keep and maintain power… they don’t give a shite about the other stuff. If they view war as the best or only way to maintain political power, they’ll do it.



your exactly right, and to keep power, they know they cant kill hundred million plus.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31423 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

The CCP does not care about the overall well-being of its people. It very well will go to war knowing that millions of its citizens will die in conflict and million more will die from famine. They do NOT care.


your right, they care about staying in power. by going to war or getting too far out of line they will kill hundreds of million by famine. this makes them lose power quickly.

quote:

The CCP does not merely want Taiwan. They want the entire region from Sea of Japan all the way down to and including Andaman Sea to the Java Sea.


they can want in 1 hand and shite in the other. they know they cant move on it without sanctions from us and the sanctions means ccp loses power, period.

quote:

They view Russia's failings in Ukraine as a product of Russia's culture of stupidity. CCP believes they are always the smartest government in the room.


while this is somewhat true it has made them reevalute things and understand where they are currently at. they are already starting to rely less and less on russian tech.

quote:

If the Western powers that be and the MIL want a shooting war with China, you bet your arse there will be a shooting war with China.


but they dont because its bad for business. all they care about is money
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