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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:59 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:59 pm to Chad504boy
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teddy you for real dawg?
uh yeah.
i'm not trying to advocate for the 4 guys, but that's a pretty slippery slope if you want to charge them with manslaughter b/c she got hit by a car well after they dropped her off.
Again, they didn't drop her off on the side the road on Burbank. She walked to Burbank from the apartments, so the article says.
SO if an Uber driver picks up a bunch of drunk people, it's his responsibility to make sure they don't walk into a 4 lane highway after he drops them off at their destination? You want to charge that guy with manslaughter if the drunk people get hit and killed by a car after the uber driver drops them off?
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:01 pm to Deactived
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Fred's was 20 to get in for a guy, which I always thought was a weird number
the few 21-year-old dudes need other dudes to hangout with or they will just go to the bars that let their 20-year-old friends in.
most people don't turn 21 until late junior year or senior year of college
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:01 pm to Deactived
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And to plug his book in a thread where a girl was raped and killed is bad form.
Reading the comments from some ignorant posters on this 60+ page thread made me realize some posters need to read it and others might want to read it. So, I offered a FREE LINK to anyone posting about this topic. I'm not trying to sell a book...just trying to educate about the topic.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:02 pm to supadave3
That is horrible not one person stepped up to help a friend obviously in need.
One of the perps Kaivon Deondre Washington is already 'in the system' (a public record) and charged only with 3rd degree rape/anal.
I won't post the address here.
One of the perps Kaivon Deondre Washington is already 'in the system' (a public record) and charged only with 3rd degree rape/anal.
I won't post the address here.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
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SO if an Uber driver picks up a bunch of drunk people, it's his responsibility to make sure they don't walk into a 4 lane highway after he drops them off at their destination? You want to charge that guy with manslaughter if the drunk people get hit and killed by a car after the uber driver drops them off?
If the Uber driver drops them off involuntarily in the middle of the street, yeah. Also, Did the Uber driver sodomize them?
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:09 pm to HodsonTiger13
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That is horrible not one person stepped up to help a friend obviously in need.
We really don't know what her friends and people at Reggie's that she might have known did. Sometimes, you cannot control what your drunk friends do. Even if you try to stop them, sometimes they go anyway. Sometimes the friends are also pretty darn drunk and can't do much.
I'm not ready to blame her friends. They probably blame themselves enough already.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:10 pm to GEAUX4
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How does that make any sense? Just because those 4 guys committed a terrible crime does not mean she was not irresponsibly drinking under the legal age. How is no one here willing to acknowledge that? If I run a stop sign then get hit by a drunk driver, did I not still run the stop sign? Just because someone did something far worse to me does not mean I did not make my own mistake. It's not her fault she was taken advantage of in a drunken state, but why is it so hard for people to accept it may be on her for getting to that drunken state?
If not for the 4 men, the only crime that would have been committed was a young woman, drinking alone and underage.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:10 pm to JodyPlauche
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Reading the comments from some ignorant posters on this 60+ page thread made me realize some posters need to read it and others might want to read it. So, I offered a FREE LINK to anyone posting about this topic. I'm not trying to sell a book...just trying to educate about the topic.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole context of "consent" was never even a consideration in your case. Not only were you only 12 or so, but you were groomed, gaslighted and brainwashed by your adult sensei. You were closer to a Stockholm Syndrome case than you ever were to a matter of consent or not.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:13 pm to tigerinthebueche
If an Uber driver dumps off a 4x the legal limit drunk on the side of the road at 3 a.m. and they get run over?
Yeah.
We can start with manslaughter and let the jury sort it out. Negligent homicide? Maybe.
But remember this was all to further the crime. She didn't have an ID with her?? No drivers license to see where she lived?
They saw a stone drunk girl and put her in the truck for the purpose of raping her. Raped her anally and vaginally - 2 guys. Then dumped her out of the truck once finished.
They took that risk with her life to commit the crime.
So, yes, slippery your slope.
I'm on that jury: CONVICTED all counts.
If you want to read some disgusting comments, look at Facebook. Men are blaming the dead victim and the black women are saying even far worse. Makes the OT look reasonable.
Yeah.
We can start with manslaughter and let the jury sort it out. Negligent homicide? Maybe.
But remember this was all to further the crime. She didn't have an ID with her?? No drivers license to see where she lived?
They saw a stone drunk girl and put her in the truck for the purpose of raping her. Raped her anally and vaginally - 2 guys. Then dumped her out of the truck once finished.
They took that risk with her life to commit the crime.
So, yes, slippery your slope.
I'm on that jury: CONVICTED all counts.
If you want to read some disgusting comments, look at Facebook. Men are blaming the dead victim and the black women are saying even far worse. Makes the OT look reasonable.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:13 pm to Tomatocantender
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole context of "consent" was never even a consideration in your case
And a .319 blood alcohol level makes her ability to consent the same as 11 year old.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:14 pm to HodsonTiger13
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Why isn't D.A. Moore doing his job and charging these criminals with the crimes they have committed?
Right now, they've only been charged with 3rd degree rape (anal/vaginal), no murder charges.
There is not enough nexus between the death and the rape to charge them.
This is also a classic 3rd degree rape scenario. 3rd degree rape is specifically crafted for this scenario (too drunk to consent legally).
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:14 pm to LaLadyinTx
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I'm not ready to blame her friends. They probably blame themselves enough already.
agreed. I understand the question. But my friends and I have left each other in bars and shitty situations plenty. And yes, I'd have felt awful if anything had happened to them, but sometimes its easier just to let them go. I Would never do that with a shitfaced female though.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:15 pm to nicholastiger
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those arrested I bet are not even lsu students and were just trolling the bar waiting
They're not LSU students. Their identities have been released in multiple news articles. The 17 year old, and I think Washington are seniors at Walker High. (Articles say Washington is a graduate of Walker, but he's listed on their football roster from this past fall.) Lee is Washington's uncle. Carver graduated from Walker last year so he might be an LSU student.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:17 pm to HodsonTiger13
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They're there for the VICTIMS.
Technically, you're wrong. They're there for the state.
Look dude, you're too emotional to discuss this right now publicly. You're in no position to have a rational discussion.
I'd get your catharsis outside of the public eye
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:17 pm to LaLadyinTx
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I'm not ready to blame her friends. They probably blame themselves enough already.
It's not the fault of the friends that outsiders came in and chose to do what they did. Very rarely have I ever seen girls in a group let one go with people they don't know, ever. We live in a world where friends have to go out and make sure everyone comes back home together no matter how wild shite gets. You force those people to come back home with you instead of with a goddamn stranger.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:17 pm to liz18lsu
Except she was not alone, she was at a place that has had a reputation for having questionable individuals all over it for over 20 years. If those 4 guys were not in tigerland that night, it still would not have been a safe or smart decision.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:19 pm to JodyPlauche
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And a .319 blood alcohol level makes her ability to consent the same as 11 year old.
I like the way you worded that, excellent point. However, can that analogy carry over to a criminal court room and be a legal precedent?
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
But aren't the penalties higher for 1st degree?
Again, I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
3rd degree is good for ONE GUY gets girl stupid drunk to have sex with her. Multiple perps here = First Degree.
But only go for higher offense if it has higher penalties.
"Nexus." That sounds like an argument for the defense lawyer to make. I don't know all the facts though. If they drop her off and she's killed a few minutes later = manslaughter.
If, as someone else posted, she went to the apartment, called Uber time goes by... is killed trying to flag Uber down... Maybe your 'nexus' flies.
I'd let the jury sort it all out.
Oh, what'd you think of my suggestion of the video voyeurism charge thanks to the evidence the defense lawyer is about to hand over? Not every day the defense lawyer creates new criminal charges - and supplies useful evidence - to the prosecutor.
Given the Facebook chatter, defense lawyers want black women on this jury. They seem to think the victim 'had it comin.'
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:24 pm to HodsonTiger13
quote:race tensions, driven by liberal media, seem to be a huge problem with juries in our country today
defense lawyers want black women on this jury
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:25 pm to HodsonTiger13
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But aren't the penalties higher for 1st degree?
Yes. Life in prison, but the facts really don't support this charge unless new information comes out.
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Oh, what'd you think of my suggestion of the video voyeurism charge thanks to the evidence the defense lawyer is about to hand over? Not every day the defense lawyer creates new criminal charges - and supplies useful evidence - to the prosecutor.
The video is their only angle to fight the charges.
It would be petty to add this charge, but the defense attorney will always trade a 1-5 charge for a 0-25 charge.
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