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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:18 am to liz18lsu
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:18 am to liz18lsu
I understand your point completely, Liz. You don't have to defend yourself; your point is perfectly valid.
IMHO, men like me are so tired of being assumed guilty with toxic masculinity bullshite, that we may be going too far in minimizing the legitimate fear that women have of being the victims of male violence. I learned during the Guice days that my skeptical comments to my daughter might have had the appearance of invalidating a legitimate fear that college women have. There is a middle ground here we should meet at.
IMHO, men like me are so tired of being assumed guilty with toxic masculinity bullshite, that we may be going too far in minimizing the legitimate fear that women have of being the victims of male violence. I learned during the Guice days that my skeptical comments to my daughter might have had the appearance of invalidating a legitimate fear that college women have. There is a middle ground here we should meet at.
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:18 am to StonewallJack
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Now that the NAACP is representing the rapists, what attorney does the family hire to go scorched earth on everyone involved?
Unglesby would wreck these misfits
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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But I don't think these guys were from the surrounding area of the bars that is very ghetto these days. That's the issue with conflating the two ideas. There is 100% a safety and crime issue in the areas around in tigerland but that doesn't seem to overlap with the criminal actions in the current story.
What? Do you need to take a look at the uniform crime report to tell me the crime demographics of Govt St and Tigerland isn't moderately similar?
The bullshite from the trolls in this thread is getting deep.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:20 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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ou know you can enlist in the military at 18 but you can't legally buy cigarettes or beer until you're 21. Care to explain the reasoning why being able to throw your life into battle for politicians fighting for oil requires less maturity than purchasing beer and c
The reason for both is that your brain isn't fully developed at 18. If we raised the age of the military too many people would decline to join.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:20 am to Chicken
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Tate and the perp's lawyer (Haley) both parroting the underage drinking element to shift the blame...hmmm...coordinated?
Shameful!
Not a good look for LSU!
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:21 am to jdd48
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Would there be as much outrage? Most likely not, but the law is still cut and dry when it comes to consent and a BAC that high.
Regardless of the law, if that scenario occurred, there would definitely be a lot of that victim blaming here.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:21 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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reggie's absolutely deserves some blame and they will pay
Reggie's is fricked, they have a long history of underage drinking, fights, and probably rapes/sexual assaults that didn't become headline news. The civil cases against them are going to be a blood bath
but if LSU is going to point the finger at reggies, they also need to point finger at the state for passively allowing reggies to stay open 20 years despite openly being known as the underage bar.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 10:22 am
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is 100% a safety and crime issue in the areas around in tigerland but that doesn't seem to overlap with the criminal actions in the current story.
Yeah, same with the Government Street thing.
My point is it's a CITY WIDE problem for the city where the university is located.
Maybe we are talking around each other here, but I don't understand how the university doesn't see that as an important issue for it to need to address.
THAT'S what makes them similar.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:21 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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You know you can enlist in the military at 18 but you can't legally buy cigarettes or beer until you're 21. Care to explain the reasoning why being able to throw your life into battle for politicians fighting for oil requires less maturity than purchasing beer and cigs?
At which point your life becomes more restrictive, rather than less. Stupid point is stupid
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:21 am to Giantkiller
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What? Do you need to take a look at the uniform crime report to tell me the crime demographics of Govt St and Tigerland isn't moderately similar?
What are you talking about? The post you replied to and the words of mine you quoted had nothing to do with government Street. It was talking specifically about the tragedy that just happened and not the cold blooded murder that happened months ago.
And I clearly said that there is a safety issue from the tigerland but, in the most recent case, it doesn't seem like those issues are what led to the rape of the victim
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:21 am to Mizzoufan26
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were they just trying to get rid of this drunk girl after raping her? Was she not able to tell them where she lived, which speaks to her state of mind.
Read the arrest warrant linked on page 1. It's pretty sick reading the drivers' statements. They pulled over around Jennifer Jean to take turns with her.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:21 am to Mizzoufan26
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By the way, how did she not make it home? Where was she dropped off? That alone tells the story, were they just trying to get rid of this drunk girl after raping her? Was she not able to tell them where she lived, which speaks to her state of mind.
why not just look at her ID
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:23 am to Giantkiller
I just find it insane that everyone is blaming so many different things, for example the surrounding area when these guys aren’t even from BR. It’s absolutely the 4 guys fault they raped her and they will serve hard time for it. Yes, every girl should be able to safely get blackout drunk underage and not worry about something like this happening, but that’s not the world we live in. If every single person in here won’t use this situation to warn your daughter about the dangers of binge drinking (underage), then you’re doing them a disservice. I’m not blaming her for what happened, but everyone in here acting like it would’ve been the same situation if she hadn’t been so drunk is just lying to themselves.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:23 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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You know you can enlist in the military at 18 but you can't legally buy cigarettes or beer until you're 21. Care to explain the reasoning why being able to throw your life into battle for politicians fighting for oil requires less maturity than purchasing beer and cigs?
There is a drinking age, FACT. Establishments gave an obligation to hollow the law, FACT.
That’s what matters here. Did Reggie’s do what they could to stop underage drinking? Yes or no???
We can debate the drinking age in another thread, but it’s 21 right now.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:24 am to t00f
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why not just look at her ID
Only works if she lives in town.
Responsible people would have called police or tried her phone.
Upstanding BR bred folks will just rape her and dump her though
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:24 am to Y.A. Tittle
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but I don't understand how the university doesn't see that as an important issue for it to need to address.
I think it's just public relations and reputation. The university is kind of in a tough spot because they don't patrol the general streets of baton rouge and can't really solve any of these problems off campus, so making these legitimate safety and crime issues a major talking point is basically committing suicide without any benefit.
About the only thing the university can really do is purchase the areas that went bad around campus, if they were ever able to do so. I think the vast majority of the upper level administration what it mean there is a crime issue, but the question is what can they do about it. Issuing Stern public statements directly about the crime isn't going to solve the crime either and it's going to severely affect enrollment and reputation. It's kind of a rock and a hard place
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:25 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Upstanding BR bred folks will just rape her and dump her though
Well they were LP baws.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:25 am to GEAUX4
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but everyone in here acting like it would’ve been the same situation if she hadn’t been so drunk is just lying to themselves.
What are the powerball numbers for the next drawing?
These guys obviously have zero moral compass. Who's to say they couldn't just have easily drugged a girl to accomplish the same thing? I wouldn't be surprised to find out they've done that before.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:25 am to t00f
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why not just look at her ID
If I had to guess, I'd say the number of college kids that had an up to date address on their license is less than 10% with most still listing their hometown addresses.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:26 am to Evil Little Thing
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Southern’s track record for violent crime isn’t great lately.
I don’t think any of us “assholes” saying never LSU are going to choose Southern instead.
We keep asking for names of these violent campuses and the most I got was a link to crime in college towns that are urban areas with similar demographics to Baton Rouge. Those places wouldn’t even be considered.
I’m a “never LSU a-hole” for my youngest (after graduating there myself, having one child graduated and another soon). I can assure you a safe town is highest on my priority list. Does it guarantee nothing will happen? No. But chances are lower and that if some of the “typical” college behaviors do happen my child might still be alive in the end.
ETA: crime isn’t the only reason we are saying no to LSU, FWIW
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 10:27 am
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