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Did these ~20 McCarthy holdouts get something in writing?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:08 pm
Multiple have switched - I hope they don't get screwed. They were using the only power they had.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:09 pm to AnotherRound
Looks like about half have switched.
Gaetz is about to get railroaded.
Gaetz is about to get railroaded.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:10 pm to AnotherRound
They may get a little power with their vacate the seat plan....but they probably didn't make friends with the leadership long term.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:12 pm to AnotherRound
The America First holdouts are trying to dilute the power of the speaker so the speaker isn't able to make real impactful decisions without some level of oversight.....it's a good idea.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:13 pm to BobBoucher
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Gaetz is about to get railroaded.
I respect what he has done. He seems like one of the only ones with a backbone.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:13 pm to AnotherRound
They negotiated. They’re getting the assurances they need and now they’re voting accordingly. I don’t think it’s anything more than that. They would’ve done this with anyone they think isn’t one of them and running for SOTH. It was never about McCarthy.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:14 pm to oklahogjr
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They may get a little power with their vacate the seat plan....but they probably didn't make friends with the leadership long term.
frick the GOP leadership. They’re a big reason that we’re where we are today.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:15 pm to Bass Tiger
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The America First holdouts are trying to dilute the power of the speaker so the speaker isn't able to make real impactful decisions without some level of oversight.....it's a good idea.
Absolutely - so I hope they got there demands in writing (which honestly, I don't know what power that would even have).
The American first/ freedom caucus desires (that I have seen) are very good and appropriate.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:15 pm to Figgy
"Assurances"? Whatever they negotiated will be reneged on after the vote. CONgress is full of lying corrupt criminals and their "word" means NOTHING.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:15 pm to Figgy
Putting it in writing is worthless.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:15 pm to High C
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frick the GOP leadership. They’re a big reason that we’re where we are today.
Agreed
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:16 pm to Figgy
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It was never about McCarthy.
For some of them it was definitely about McCarthy. He lied to them before and they won't trust him.
For others, it is the swamp/ McCarthy politics.
So you don't get the results of negotiations in writing?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:16 pm to AnotherRound
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Absolutely - so I hope they got there demands in writing (which honestly, I don't know what power that would even have).
Gaetz went in hard on McCarthy during his nomination. Doesn’t sound like he’s even close to onboard.
But looks like 14 votes have switched.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:18 pm to AnotherRound
Graves and the other LA representatives seem to be fake conservatives.
McCarthy is Paul Ryan 2.0
McCarthy is Paul Ryan 2.0
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:18 pm to Figgy
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They negotiated. They’re getting the assurances they need and now they’re voting accordingly. I don’t think it’s anything more than that. They would’ve done this with anyone they think isn’t one of them and running for SOTH. It was never about McCarthy.
This is where I think Gaetz has gone sideways. Some of his comments indicated it is very much about McCarthy specifically and he makes it seem that it is personal for him and he would never vote for McCarthy regardless of any negotiated terms.
Stick to the message, stick to the list of items to negotiate and vote accordingly. Making it personal distracts from your message and gives people an easy excuse to dismiss the sound parts of your argument.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:19 pm to AnotherRound
There is no such thing as "good faith" anymore in most levels of large business and government. I'm happy for this interruption to DC's little disingenuous cocktail party, but I still can't help but feeling this is more theater. I'll be interested to see how the 20 play into coming republican non-Trump presidential campaigns.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:24 pm to AnotherRound
Just let your Reps know that if they vote in a swamp creature for Speaker, you won't vote for them in 2024.
My Rep continues to vote for him, so she's not even going to be considered by me for 2024.
We have a long way to go before 2024 - if they allow the leadership to ram McCarthy through, they're going to regret it.
My Rep continues to vote for him, so she's not even going to be considered by me for 2024.
We have a long way to go before 2024 - if they allow the leadership to ram McCarthy through, they're going to regret it.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:28 pm to Figgy
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They negotiated. They’re getting the assurances they need and now they’re voting accordingly. I don’t think it’s anything more than that. They would’ve done this with anyone they think isn’t one of them and running for SOTH. It was never about McCarthy.
Why, for the other Republicans, does it have to be McCarthy or no one else? If your theory is correct that it was never about McCarthy, the prove it. Have McCarthy step out of the race and take a vote on others. If the holdouts continue to vote "no" then that would presumably provide validity that it is not about McCarthy and the GOP could point to the holdouts and say "these obstructionist assholes are the problem, not us. They won't vote for anyone not in their group."
Many conservative leaning voters, myself included, distrust the GOPe only slightly less than they distrust Democrats. McCarthy seemingly being the ONLY option after 11-12 failed votes does nothing to alleviate that distrust. Are you telling me there is not one GOP member of Congress capable of being Speaking of the House than Keven McCarthy?
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:29 pm to AnotherRound
Yes
Washington examiner
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McCarthy already made major concessions on Wednesday night, including allowing for one member to act on the motion to vacate the chair, placing more conservative hard-liners on the House Rules Committee, promising votes on key bills, and keeping Republican political action committees out of primary races for safe GOP seats.
Washington examiner
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:30 pm to BobBoucher
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But looks like 14 votes have switched.
Where are y'all getting this?
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