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re: NIL “Contracts” should include playing in bowl games.

Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:02 am to
Posted by Ole Boy
Member since Dec 2018
732 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:02 am to
Players will be employed by the schools before it’s over it’s just a matter of time.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18351 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:03 am to
NIL is an all out Wild West out of control free agency with NO limitations on the players. Nothing.
Stop calling it amateur sports because it isn't any longer.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20105 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:05 am to
But somehow Saban has convinced Bryce Young and Will Anderson to play in their bowl game. Hmmmmmmm.
Posted by RHSTiger98
Mckinney, TX
Member since May 2009
229 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:05 am to
This is unfortunately the best way to look at it. The bowls that we used to watch are over. The new age of bowl games are essentially pre-season games for the next season.
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
3038 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:31 am to
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How do you prevent "tweeked" ankles/hamstrings etc. as an excuse to miss the game? Pretty easy to claim an injury to avoid a game.



you dont. ever see a guy disappear in the NFL after his 2nd contract (big payday)? Should I start a list of the 5,000 examples readily available.

make em play. If they fake an injury, maybe NFL scouting departments will do enough research to bring it to light
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65273 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:41 am to
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NIL “Contracts” should include playing in bowl games.

Tell that to the private companies/donors writing the NIL checks. The schools themselves aren't paying kids.

Regardless, NIL can't be tied to player participation
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 9:42 am
Posted by CleanSlate
Member since Nov 2020
1686 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:42 am to
God I hate NIL
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28582 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:56 am to
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I've heard most NIL deals are for x amount of months


They are. But that is because the NIL agreements CAN'T be in the nature of "pay for play". What the business/person is paying the player for is use of the players NIL...not use of his NIL as an LSU player. There is nothing the contract can do to tie the player to the school. So if they are longer than a few months it is conceivable the player could leave the team, or worse, transfer to another school and still be entitled to payment by an LSU booster per the contact agreement. No LSU booster wants to have to pay a kid 4 figures while he suits up for Alabama.

While the underlying reason for the contract is obviously pay for play, you have to think of them as endorsement contracts rather than service contracts. For instance, Under Armour would have to abide by their contract with Steph Curry regardless of which team he plays for because they are paying for the use of Curry's NIL...not for his employment with Golden State.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65273 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:03 am to
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They are. But that is because the NIL agreements CAN'T be in the nature of "pay for play". What the business/person is paying the player for is use of the players NIL...not use of his NIL as an LSU player. There is nothing the contract can do to tie the player to the school. So if they are longer than a few months it is conceivable the player could leave the team, or worse, transfer to another school and still be entitled to payment by an LSU booster per the contact agreement. No LSU booster wants to have to pay a kid 4 figures while he suits up for Alabama.

I’d tie it to a city, something like require personal appearances, upon request, every Monday. So if a player transfers to some other school there’s no way a player would be able to fulfill his contractural agreement. I’d also have a liquidated damages clause in there for breaching the contract. It doesn’t take much legal creativity to get around tying contracts to the school but still preventing player transfer mobility.

You can bet with how big these deals have become that the boosters putting up the money are going to want to secure their investments
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 10:07 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28582 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:19 am to
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Stop calling it amateur sports because it isn't any longer.


It stopped being "amateur sports" a LONG time ago. Well before the advent of NIL. When the schools are bringing millions in revenue (ticket sales, licensing, etc) and the conferences are signing hundred(s) million dollar broadcast agreements with TV networks it ain't "amateur sports." It's a multi-million dollar entertainment BUSINESS (no different than the NFL, NBA, etc) masquerading as an interscholastic extracurricular activity.

The inequity between what the schools and coaches were earning vs what the players were/are "earning" is VAST. No, the players were not without any "compensation". A scholarship to attend college is very much a benefit. But just like the players in the NFL, NBA, MLB, college athletes (at least in football and men's basketball) are the primary reason the business the business is so successful. They are the main attraction. The reason you pay $1,500 a year for season tickets and the reason you tune in to ESPN, CBS, etc every Saturday to watch.

CFB started as an extracurricular activity. As more and more people enjoyed watching the games, the popularity grew. As popularity grew, the high the demand to allow more people to watch the games. The demand to broadcast the games by media companies grew and they were willing to pay millions upon millions for the rights to do so. The conferences, schools, and coaches were reaping the benefits of the increased demand and money. That's why LSU, A&M, Alabama, etc can afford to pay $100M contracts to HCs. ALL of this huge amount of money was coming in with the "payment" to the players (a scholarship) largely remaining the same as it was 50, 60, 70 years ago. It was/is a matter of time before people acknowledged what major college sports (football and mens basketball) really are. A very lucrative entertainment business.

If you're idea of college football is that it should be like it was in the 1960's, 70's, when there wasn't nearly the amount of money in the game as there is now, then what college football has become (a business) will upset you. But the game isn't going backwards. If you want a "cap" on the money players can earn, then the only way to legally make that happen is to reach an agreement the players are "employees" of the schools and then have the schools/conferences and the players collectively bargain for a "salary cap" like the owners and players union have in the NFL. Any unilateral attempt by NCAA, schools, conferences to enforce such will quickly be ended as an anti-trust violation.

Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3946 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:22 am to
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How do you prevent "tweeked" ankles/hamstrings etc. as an excuse to miss the game?


These could be incentive-based contracts. The NCAA already has an exception for receiving various bowl gifts. Pay a small portion for showing up and then the rest if you play. These contracts could be broken down anyway you want. The bowls along with the broadcast companies should be doing that already because it's in their best interest.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 10:25 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28582 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:22 am to
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I’d tie it to a city, something like require personal appearances, upon request, every Monday. So if a player transfers to some other school there’s no way a player would be able to fulfill his contractural agreement. I’d also have a liquidated damages clause in there for breaching the contract. It doesn’t take much legal creativity to get around tying contracts to the school but still preventing player transfer mobility.

You can bet with how big these deals have become that the boosters putting up the money are going to want to secure their investments


Possibly. But you forget, the players have almost ALL of the leverage in the negotiations. LSU's boosters may want to put all of those restrictions in. But if the player is good enough, he can go to another power school and say I want X amount with none of the restrictions LSU has in place. If you are a booster of A&M and you desperately want to beat LSU, you do what you need to do to sign a player.
Posted by LSU1215
Monroe
Member since Aug 2009
3849 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:32 am to
Bowl games = NFL Pro Bowl at this point. If it isn't playoff teams it's boring especially for the big schools.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59147 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:40 am to
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make em play. If they fake an injury, maybe NFL scouting departments will do enough research to bring it to light


The NFL doesn’t give a flying frick if a kid plays in the Boudreaux’s Butt Paste Bumfrick Bowl, if anything they want them to skip it.

Tards on this site went on and on about how the NFL would punish guys like Chase who opted out for the entire season and he still went what 4 or 5 in the draft and is a budding super star.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67594 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:45 am to
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That’s why you have professional team doctors. If they gove you an all clear to play, your a** is playing.


A dr isn't going to give an all clear to play if the player is saying he is hurting...then the player can get Gordon to sue the dr if he was being honest about an injury
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12587 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:48 am to
Most of them probably do. If payments are made over time the contracts specify when the payments will stop.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:52 am to
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These kids want professional money then they need to be signed to professional contracts.


These kids are allegedly student-athletes.

If expanding the NIL contract scope, how about something that incentivizes their educational performance, too?

Seems like athlete-focus only benefits LSU
Whereas the student-focus as well benefits the student and LSU

Re-balance time
Posted by nofear67
Houston
Member since Jan 2006
2285 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 11:42 am to
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This opting out stuff is BS

Folks need to let this shite go. You can't force anyone to do anything. Contract? LMAO Coaches too? Yeah just what I thought!!!
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15855 posts
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:09 pm to
Clearly you don't understand how NIL works. Do you even know what NIL stands for? Lol.
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