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re: GC’s and Electrical Contractors - Lack of Availability of Breakers above 200A

Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:21 pm to
Not breakers, but other mass produced industrial goods. I'm speculating.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 1:22 pm
Posted by bayouself74
Red Stick
Member since Aug 2016
72 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:43 pm to
I’m on the supply side of this and I can tell you it’s a nightmare. The sad part is that the manufacturers caused all this when they cut back production and labor based on “market” project early on during the pandemic. They have never been able to catch up since due to that action and all of the raw material, component, and labor shortages coupled with logistical problems. What I’m hearing now is that labor is a big factor throughout the full scope of production, from end to end. From where I sit, which is at a high level, manufacturers are not willing to incur costs of running factories for extended periods past normal production hours to catch up on backlog because it would impact profitability. They have all increased prices dramatically as well so in the grand scheme of things they can produce less, reduce costs, and increase profits. Factor in this to that all have force majeure and aren’t taking any financial responsibility for missed dates. This has left distribution and contractors on island to pick up all the pieces. The guys at the factories in Mexico I talk to say they are fully staffed & have plenty of material on hand to build panels but they can only produce so much based on the amount of time they can run the plant. The other “excuses” are mainly coming from American middle and upper management.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30899 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:53 pm to
Add in the stuff we are receiving is crap.

Have a panel and so far there were 5 broken breakers in it, now we have to pull everything out and make sure nothing else is broke. Oh and we get to hope for replacements within a reasonable time.
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5527 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 3:10 pm to
Electrical is one of the first contracts I buy and I tell the electrician to order his panels and breaker’s immediately.

The big issue right now is transformers. The city of Denton, TX has a 52 week lead time on transformers.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
13286 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 3:18 pm to
I’ve also heard that manufacturers are charging 100% restocking fee in the event you make things work on site.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33962 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 6:35 pm to
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What is it in 400a and above breakers that is so hard to get?


Lugs are the issue on most of these things
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33962 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 6:38 pm to
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as usual it’s not just one thing. Specific to the 320/400 meter pans I have been told that milbank can’t get the resins for the socket. Who knows if that’s true but it’s a mess right now.


That’s not true, and the resins haven’t been a shortage issue in the last 6 months.

Milbank dug themselves a hole, and aren’t willing to get themselves out of it by restricting orders. They have told me the demand for 320 meters is higher than ever and they keep taking any order thrown at them
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167478 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 6:40 pm to
I needed a meter base for a rent house two weeks ago and was told I was lucky they just happened to get some in that had been on order for a while.

That was after looking everywhere else.
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4867 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 7:29 pm to
I heard on pretty good authority that at one point there were "in excess of 2,000,000" QO120 breakers on back order.

Single pole, 20A, SqD, QO breakers - most bread and butter item I can think of. fricking joke.

Meter cans - check with a Ronk distributor. You might end up with a double throw switch that you don't need or want but you'll get lugs in, out & a socket.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
13299 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 7:29 pm to
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we have components on 40+ week backorder, and we are still rolling projects. It's crazy how "covid" is still the excuse!


In 2030 people will still be blaming Covid for the problems of the current day.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11824 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 7:47 pm to
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The city of Denton, TX has a 52 week lead time on transformers


All MV transformers are around 52+weeks now. 13.8kV and 4160Vs ordered last March praying they will be here by May or we go to rentals/borrowed.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33962 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 7:48 pm to
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I needed a meter base for a rent house two weeks ago and was told I was lucky they just happened to get some in that had been on order for a while. That was after looking everywhere else.
320’s are dead on at a year from order right now. I’ve never been out of 135 and 200’s though
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33962 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 7:49 pm to
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heard on pretty good authority that at one point there were "in excess of 2,000,000" QO120 breakers on back order. Single pole, 20A, SqD, QO breakers - most bread and butter item I can think of. fricking joke.
square d and Eaton really shite the bed on residential loadcenters and breakers over the last year. Both lost a lot of market share to Siemens
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 7:55 pm to
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square d and Eaton really shite the bed on residential loadcenters and breakers over the last year.
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 8:26 pm to
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bee Rye

I'm good, right?
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
Member since Jun 2015
7072 posts
Posted on 12/3/22 at 8:56 pm to
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The city of Denton, TX has a 52 week lead time on transformers.


What do you do round Denton?
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33962 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:03 am to
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I'm good, right?


as long as you don't take any jobs over 250 Amps, lol
Posted by convertedtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
2786 posts
Posted on 12/14/22 at 1:18 pm to
You should try ordering fans from any of the German companies right now. 75-90 week leads for the "quick ship" items. 120+ weeks for special order ones. It is madness. We are still hearing about the microchip shortage as well.
Posted by fairhope
Member since Sep 2020
55 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 9:43 am to
A fire in a plant that produces the plastics used in electrical components didn't help.
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3262 posts
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:40 pm to
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I’ve spoken to a few other GC’s who do $100 mil+ jobs and they are going through the same.

I can second this right now. Building ~180 MM high school right now. Switchgear was 52 weeks, chillers 40 weeks. No expediting available.

Luckily we jumped on it and signed guys up with little trouble.
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