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Posted on 4/15/23 at 6:47 pm to LSUgymfan420
Posted on 4/15/23 at 6:47 pm to LSUgymfan420
RE: LSUgymfan420
I feel your suggestions are right on target. I am so proud of this team for what they accomplished this season.
Alexis is getting a deduction on the standing front on beam as well as not consistently sticking her dismount. She is capable of doing another front move that would score much better. She has beautiful form.
I am looking forward to seeing Annie Beard on beam next year. Our recruiting needs to attract more beamers. I heard Tom Farden say in an interview that he and Kindler go after beamers because the beam can make or break a meet. These two teams also get help with routine construction, work to achieve polish, and compete simple leap combinations. That's their formula for beam success.
We also need several more strong bar workers. Bars have been up and down this year. The dismounts for some need to be easier in order to stick.
We need stuck vaults and as many 10 start values as possible. We are capable of three YDF if Kiya returns and KJ and Bryce can have theirs's ready. Three YF's will not be a bonus on vault.
Annie Beard, Amari Drayton and Kylie Coen are strong floor workers. They should be a great help next season along with Aleah, Kiya, Haleigh and Chase.
I hope Jay's mindset will be open next season to lineups.
I feel your suggestions are right on target. I am so proud of this team for what they accomplished this season.
Alexis is getting a deduction on the standing front on beam as well as not consistently sticking her dismount. She is capable of doing another front move that would score much better. She has beautiful form.
I am looking forward to seeing Annie Beard on beam next year. Our recruiting needs to attract more beamers. I heard Tom Farden say in an interview that he and Kindler go after beamers because the beam can make or break a meet. These two teams also get help with routine construction, work to achieve polish, and compete simple leap combinations. That's their formula for beam success.
We also need several more strong bar workers. Bars have been up and down this year. The dismounts for some need to be easier in order to stick.
We need stuck vaults and as many 10 start values as possible. We are capable of three YDF if Kiya returns and KJ and Bryce can have theirs's ready. Three YF's will not be a bonus on vault.
Annie Beard, Amari Drayton and Kylie Coen are strong floor workers. They should be a great help next season along with Aleah, Kiya, Haleigh and Chase.
I hope Jay's mindset will be open next season to lineups.
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 8:25 pm
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 6:55 pm to LSUgymfan420
It was very evident today that LSU lacks form compared to the other 3 teams. And polish. With the “built in” deductions, it makes it really hard to score a 9.90 on a stage such as FOTF.
Regarding AJ, she goes so high on her HIHO that the landing is almost always gonna be deep if she can’t absorb it.
Beam - The leaps and bad form have plagued this team all year, especially Elena and Sierra. And both had the worst landings on the team. But I’m not upset seeing that they were filling in for Kiya and Bryce (and possibly Annie).
I’m not too worried about vault and floor (if Kiya and Cammy come back). And if KJ is healthy.
All in all, this was a great season! They went much farther than any of us could have predicted after losing Kiya. Hats off to the coaching staff and ALL of the girls. So proud of each of them.
Regarding AJ, she goes so high on her HIHO that the landing is almost always gonna be deep if she can’t absorb it.
Beam - The leaps and bad form have plagued this team all year, especially Elena and Sierra. And both had the worst landings on the team. But I’m not upset seeing that they were filling in for Kiya and Bryce (and possibly Annie).
I’m not too worried about vault and floor (if Kiya and Cammy come back). And if KJ is healthy.
All in all, this was a great season! They went much farther than any of us could have predicted after losing Kiya. Hats off to the coaching staff and ALL of the girls. So proud of each of them.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 7:50 pm to tlricks04
One judge gave Haleigh’s vault a 9.9 
Posted on 4/15/23 at 7:52 pm to Bayougallc
You’re never going to see a double or 1 1/2 from kj or Bryce unless Garrett makes it so. Jay is fine with having “great fulls”. Elena’s best event is vault so she would be my only full. She’s great for depth but her leaps are just not there. Alexis would make a great leadoff on beam.
Tom can say that all he likes but vault has cost them championships the last 2 or 3 times. I’m not sure what happened with Bryce on beam, whether she got in her head or what, but she would have been great had they brought her back after her fall. Ashley Cowan should have been in bars all year. And if bugs doesn’t get rid of the dam hard leaps I’m going to blow my top.
I hope this team will go away this summer and continue to work on things the way Miya used to in the summers. She always tried to get better in the off season not take a million vacations.
All in all this team did fabulous for what they had.
Tom can say that all he likes but vault has cost them championships the last 2 or 3 times. I’m not sure what happened with Bryce on beam, whether she got in her head or what, but she would have been great had they brought her back after her fall. Ashley Cowan should have been in bars all year. And if bugs doesn’t get rid of the dam hard leaps I’m going to blow my top.
I hope this team will go away this summer and continue to work on things the way Miya used to in the summers. She always tried to get better in the off season not take a million vacations.
All in all this team did fabulous for what they had.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:19 pm to khill715
I just went back and watched LSU’s beam rotation from the 2017 Super Six. It was amazing to have counted 5 routines of 9.9+.
Posted on 4/16/23 at 7:54 am to tlricks04
Yes, that was a team of beamers. Our beam has to improve to be competitive in the future. The leaps need to be scaled down going forward and the routine construction smarter with polish. Keeping it the way it is now may garner decent scores during the regular season but one can see it does not work in post season.
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:14 am to tlricks04
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I just went back and watched LSU’s beam rotation from the 2017 Super Six. It was amazing to have counted 5 routines of 9.9+.
The beam talent was much better then
Macadaeg, Hambrick, Ewing, Edney, Finnegan and Gnat
Current one: Arenas, Alyona, Jeffrey, Ballard, Bryant and Aleah
We just lacked that major scoring punch and polish on beam when you moved outside of Aleah and Haleigh although Jeffrey has a solid set. I’m not mad at the other kids as they are doing their best but we definitely didn’t have enough on this event to stay competitive. Losing Kiya hurt here a lot more than vault and floor
Posted on 4/18/23 at 12:48 pm to Tigerbait357
Can y’all believe LSU had two gymnasts “win” awards by CGN? Aleah won Breakout Performer of the Year and Haleigh won Most Valuable Gymnast. Chase and Elena were also nominated for awards.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 12:57 pm to Tigerbait357
I didn't watch the multi-cast or single event broadcast so I didn't even get to see LSU on vault. We were out of contention so they weren't even showing us.
I'm guessing Haleigh pretty much had a perfect vault? Or if it was any other meet than the finals it would have been a 10. The judges were so strict on vault.
I didn't look at our season average scores per event, but I felt like the second half of the season, bars hurt us more than beam. On beam, even with injuries, I felt like if some of the girls outside of Haleigh and Aleah could put together some solid/well scoring routines. When it came to bars, I would just dread it and already be thinking that it was just going to be a bunch of 9.8's outside of the big two.
I think KJ and Bryce could end up being valuable going forward on the beam. I just don't know who there is to be excited about on bars going forward. I guess Tori will still just be a Junior and she has some potential for a better routine. Unless I'm not giving Elena, Sierra, Chase, Ashley, Olivia, or Alexis enough credit. Any chance KJ or Bryce step up in bars?
Side note: I think Haleigh has officially become my favorite LSU gymnast of all time. She is just incredible and has become about as clutch as you could ever hope a top gymnast could be.
*Edit: This is me also not factoring in incoming recruits because I'm just not knowledgeable on them.
I kept saying all throughout the season in the in game threads and to my wife every event "man I just wish Kiya was out there." Just could have been a big difference maker. I don't think she would been the difference in winning a championship or not, but they wouldn't have had to crawl and fight every single meet and might have given Haleigh and Aleah some rest a time or two.
I'm guessing Haleigh pretty much had a perfect vault? Or if it was any other meet than the finals it would have been a 10. The judges were so strict on vault.
I didn't look at our season average scores per event, but I felt like the second half of the season, bars hurt us more than beam. On beam, even with injuries, I felt like if some of the girls outside of Haleigh and Aleah could put together some solid/well scoring routines. When it came to bars, I would just dread it and already be thinking that it was just going to be a bunch of 9.8's outside of the big two.
I think KJ and Bryce could end up being valuable going forward on the beam. I just don't know who there is to be excited about on bars going forward. I guess Tori will still just be a Junior and she has some potential for a better routine. Unless I'm not giving Elena, Sierra, Chase, Ashley, Olivia, or Alexis enough credit. Any chance KJ or Bryce step up in bars?
Side note: I think Haleigh has officially become my favorite LSU gymnast of all time. She is just incredible and has become about as clutch as you could ever hope a top gymnast could be.
*Edit: This is me also not factoring in incoming recruits because I'm just not knowledgeable on them.
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Losing Kiya hurt here a lot more than vault and floor
I kept saying all throughout the season in the in game threads and to my wife every event "man I just wish Kiya was out there." Just could have been a big difference maker. I don't think she would been the difference in winning a championship or not, but they wouldn't have had to crawl and fight every single meet and might have given Haleigh and Aleah some rest a time or two.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I just don't know who there is to be excited about on bars going forward. I guess Tori will still just be a Junior and she has some potential for a better routine. Unless I'm not giving Elena, Sierra, Chase, Ashley, Olivia, or Alexis enough credit. Any chance KJ or Bryce step up in bars?
As far as I’m aware, Bryce and KJ aren’t as strong on bars as they are on the more leg heavy events. As for bars, over all, consistency was an issue for Chase freshman year in terms of hitting her release move and dismount but I think with the confidence she gained this year on vault and floor and the new release move on bars she’s been training, she’ll be a contributor for us on that event next year. Sierra is out of the question. I want Livvy’s shoulders and arms a little healthier before we throw her in there week after week. Alexis, while she does have the deep squat on her landing, the rest of her routine is incredibly clean with very minimal form breaks or built in deductions. Ashley just lacks the consistency on her double layout (I believe, if I’m not mistaken, that her full twisting double layout was her stronger dismount off bars in club). Other than Kylie and Amari, I’m not too familiar with the freshman as far as their bar work goes. Like every year, the key for them is going to be keeping them healthy
Posted on 4/18/23 at 1:59 pm to lsugymfann
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I just don't know who there is to be excited about on bars going forward. I guess Tori will still just be a Junior and she has some potential for a better routine. Unless I'm not giving Elena, Sierra, Chase, Ashley, Olivia, or Alexis enough credit. Any chance KJ or Bryce step up in bars?
Bryant, Finnegan, Jeffrey, Tatum, Cowan, Kylie Coen, Amari Drayton, Kiya Johnson (if she is back), Dunne is a solid core to work with
We know Bryant is a consistent 9.9+ scorer. I think Aleah's is a given to score 9.9+ if she has a stuck dismount. I think Jay needs to consider going to the drawing board and figure out a way to give her a dismount where she can consistent stick. You are not going to get 9.9+ at nationals on bars without sticking, so its important they address this
Tatum is solid. Consistent 9.875 scorer that developed immensely during the fall. If they can find a way to clean up her pak salto a little, I think she can up the routine even more score wise. To me one of the biggest surprises to me this season was Tatum's growth on bars.
The most intriguing thing to me is how Kylie Coen will look coming into LSU. Her not competing in JO for 2 years raises a giant red flag for me but her bars previously at the JO level is certainly the types that scores well at NCAA level. That we are going to have to wait and see but she is training supposedly.
Drayton swings nice bars as well. She could contribute here as well but a lot of this comes down to routine construction.
More than anything, LSU has to stick more landings on bars. We may not be as polished on bars as other teams but we definitely should be much more competitive or in the ball park if they can address the landing issues.
This post was edited on 4/18/23 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/18/23 at 2:59 pm to Tigerbait357
I think this is all good discussion:
For bars for me, I think if they can figure out why Alexis has to go that deep on everything (like its a consistent thing for her), then maybe that can help the bars dismount. And I swear, if Alyona comes back, she will have to be out of the lineup. I don't have a count - but I imagine she was our drop score at least 80% of the time; and you just can't have that right before Haleigh.
I am also wondering if we have an overall landing issue - I see other top teams have more consistent landings than us on both bars and beam.. I don't know if the dismounts on beam are too hard (like Sierra's or Elena's), but on bars, I know our dismounts are the same as everyone else's (aside from Haleigh and Aleah, and Haleigh has done great modifying hers into one she can stick most of the time). So I am not sure what the issue is - are we really more injured than everyone else such that we can't put the training time into hard landings (however that looks for each event) - or is the form so bad on the double layouts, specifically, that there is almost no way in the world they can be stuck? When you give a way a tenth or more at nationals on probably 10 of 24 routines; well, its just not going to be happen. I think next year we will have the firepower to have a real shot, especially with Trinity, LEeanne, Jordan, Jade, Suni, Derrian, etc. all gone or at least out, but to me we have to really dial in on the landings.
For bars for me, I think if they can figure out why Alexis has to go that deep on everything (like its a consistent thing for her), then maybe that can help the bars dismount. And I swear, if Alyona comes back, she will have to be out of the lineup. I don't have a count - but I imagine she was our drop score at least 80% of the time; and you just can't have that right before Haleigh.
I am also wondering if we have an overall landing issue - I see other top teams have more consistent landings than us on both bars and beam.. I don't know if the dismounts on beam are too hard (like Sierra's or Elena's), but on bars, I know our dismounts are the same as everyone else's (aside from Haleigh and Aleah, and Haleigh has done great modifying hers into one she can stick most of the time). So I am not sure what the issue is - are we really more injured than everyone else such that we can't put the training time into hard landings (however that looks for each event) - or is the form so bad on the double layouts, specifically, that there is almost no way in the world they can be stuck? When you give a way a tenth or more at nationals on probably 10 of 24 routines; well, its just not going to be happen. I think next year we will have the firepower to have a real shot, especially with Trinity, LEeanne, Jordan, Jade, Suni, Derrian, etc. all gone or at least out, but to me we have to really dial in on the landings.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 5:22 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I'm guessing Haleigh pretty much had a perfect vault? Or if it was any other meet than the finals it would have been a 10. The judges were so strict on vault.
Haleigh forgot to wear her Florida or Oklahoma leo that day.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:10 am to tigersbb
There are some rumours going around that some of the Utah girls (Jillian Hoffman, Lucy Stanhope, and maybe some others) may be transferring. Wonder if we might stand a chance with any of them given the McCool connections.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 9:23 am to russiangym
If LSU takes in a transfer, IMO its gonna be someone who can help elevate bars and beam. Think our floor and vault depth, and talent is already pretty strong. Even without Kiya and KJ, the team was hitting 49.500 on those two rotations which is excellent
But I will be interested to see how everything shakes out between the portal and which seniors want to come back for a 5th, I don't anticipate all will
But I will be interested to see how everything shakes out between the portal and which seniors want to come back for a 5th, I don't anticipate all will
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:19 am to LSUgymfan420
Ladies need higher start value on vault/beam, that would help with score, even if they don’t stick landing, look at OKla and Utah on vault/beam, their start values are almost all 10, so even with deductions they end up in high 9.8 or 9.9 range, need to adjust to what others are doing
Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:24 pm to russiangym
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Jillian Hoffman
She has officially retired from gymnastics all together I believe. Also with her history of injuries, I don’t see her contributing to the program.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 1:57 pm to Tigerbait357
LIU’s best bars worker and best beam worker are both rumored to be in the portal, both have career highs 9.975 without any “leotard bonus”
Posted on 4/19/23 at 11:38 pm to Twz
I don’t generally wade into this gymternet drama but I have been following the Utah transfer threads in various places. Let me say this, if LSU had three people transfer out, the gymternet mob would be out for blood. Not to mention ISA’s post.
But of course, Utah is somehow a gymternet darling and everyone is just falling over backward to say how it’s not an issue (including ISA’s tweet, which to me, would seem to be the worst part, if I was putting myself in the shoes of the college age girl I was once).
But of course, Utah is somehow a gymternet darling and everyone is just falling over backward to say how it’s not an issue (including ISA’s tweet, which to me, would seem to be the worst part, if I was putting myself in the shoes of the college age girl I was once).
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:01 am to LSUgymfan420
One of the possible rumoured transfers is Sage Thompson, who is a good bars worker.
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