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re: Scott Ritter on Ukraine and Finland joining NATO
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:47 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:47 pm to Indefatigable
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It is "bad" in the sense that under no circumstances do Russia's preferences rightfully dictate the foreign policy decisions of sovereign nations. Other countries not doing what you want them to do is simply not lawful justification for military aggression.
Russia does not want thousands of miles of militarized borders, which is what exactly what would happen if Finland joined.
Finland historically was part of the Russian Empire, the Duchy of Finland.
When I said provoke, I meant the entire NATO expansion operation that the neocons have engineered for decades. NATO originally was not going to expand, but it did anyway. The elites in charge are dishonest at the very least.
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 1:49 pm to JAGuyHeh
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Russia does not want thousands of miles of militarized borders, which is what exactly what would happen if Finland joined.
And yet, nothing Russia wants or doesn't want justifies their attempt to dictate the foreign policy decisions of sovereign nations.
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Finland historically was part of the Russian Empire, the Duchy of Finland.
There is essentially no possible way for this to be less relevant.
quote:Oh, so you mean the former Warsaw Pact countries, using their sovereign prerogatives, choosing to apply for NATO membership?
When I said provoke, I meant the entire NATO expansion operation that the neocons have engineered for decades
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NATO originally was not going to expand, but it did anyway.
Once again, nothing Russia thinks, wants, or used to have can possibly lawfully dictate what other countries do. It is a ridiculous premise that is even more underscored by the fact that Russia laid down like a bitch when the Baltic states and Poland joined in 2004. They weren't "threatened" then. They are using that excuse now because they feel froggy and need to sell their decision to jump.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/12/22 at 2:16 pm to JAGuyHeh
quote:The Finns were (unwilling) vassals to the Russians for about 100 years. They were an important part of the Swedish Empire for 600 years. Gustav Adolphus used Finnish cavalry as his shock troops, because they were both loyal and true badasses.
Finland historically was part of the Russian Empire, the Duchy of Finland.
When Russia took Finland from Sweden, the Finns became and remained a thorn in the paw of the Russian bear until the Russian revolution allowed them to free themselves.
Their effectiveness against the Russians in the WW2 era gets overstated (IMO), and they DID lose substantial territory to the USSR. But they fought like a mean-assed junkyard dog.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:20 pm to JAGuyHeh
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Finland historically was part of the Russian Empire, the Duchy of Finland.
Not exactly true, it has far more in common with Sweden than Russia, it is a Lutheran/Catholic country (not Orthodox) and when it was "part of" Russia that was a time when who was part of whom was very fluid. It was much less a part of Russia than, say, Guam is currently part of the USA.
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