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re: LA Legislature to address Teacher Shortage using Retirees earning 50%.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:48 am to anc
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:48 am to anc
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The biggest lie we have told society is that we underpay teachers.
That’s a mostly true statement. My wife earned $42,000 her first year teaching. She’s up to almost $63,000 starting in August. She has worked her way up though and is one position under an assistant principal. Even first year teachers now I believe make around $45,000. Not too shabby for your first year.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 8:49 am
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:49 am to teke184
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Systems like Zachary, West Feliciana, and Ascension typically don’t have huge problems bringing people in. Those are the systems any teacher who plans on staying in a public system wants to be in.
You sell them that.
But you give them St. Helena Parish or Pointe Coupee Parish when they get here to start. After 5 years they are starting to be vested in the retirement and will probably try to leave those parishes, but stay within the state. Win Win.
Or they end up staying in those parishes, putting down roots, and maybe marrying a plant baw. Together they will earn over $150K per year before they turn 30 and live a damn good life. Win Win Win.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 8:54 am
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:51 am to teke184
They are all struggling currently, every Parish is struggling bringing in teachers right now.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 8:52 am to goofball
Take your pick… urban shitholes like Shreveport, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, and Monroe or rural shitholes like Iberville, Tangipahoa, Jefferson Davis, etc.
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:05 am to boudinman
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Teaching is a noble profession
Yeah so noble to get every holiday and summer off along with a pension after 20 years of service.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:25 am to boudinman
"Come do the job of a full-time teacher for way, way less money!"
I think that strategy has a poor chance of success, but what do I know?
I think that strategy has a poor chance of success, but what do I know?
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:29 am to jcaz
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Yeah so noble to get every holiday and summer off along with a pension after 20 years of service.
Teachers aren't paid for time off. And if you want full pension you need to teach for 30 years.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:31 am to boudinman
Get rid of the retirement and do 401K match like everything else. That will help reduce the massive burden on the school system budget.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:32 am to jcaz
Just an fyi. Classroom Teachers are paid for the number of instructional days taught. 9 months or 180 days. The summers off with pay, are monies they have already worked for and are owed.
School boards pay them their 9 months salary over 12 months so as not to owe teachers 3 months of unemployment compensation.
School boards pay them their 9 months salary over 12 months so as not to owe teachers 3 months of unemployment compensation.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:36 am to boudinman
K-12 education is not driven by free market forces like college is.
IE, a physics prof is making more than an Eng lit prof at the same college. Not true in a H.S.
So, if a really good HS chemistry teacher retires and collects pension and the only replacement is a moron the logical thing to do is rehire the old guy and let him keep his pension + salary. You're not losing money compared to hiring the moron.
IE, a physics prof is making more than an Eng lit prof at the same college. Not true in a H.S.
So, if a really good HS chemistry teacher retires and collects pension and the only replacement is a moron the logical thing to do is rehire the old guy and let him keep his pension + salary. You're not losing money compared to hiring the moron.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:37 am to boudinman
My wife and I are both teachers. We researched where we wanted to live and two considerations were salary and cost of living.
LA was not even competitive.
LA was not even competitive.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:42 am to boudinman
The teacher shortage is less about pay and more about bureaucratic bs that teachers have to deal with in order to teach. Teaching children is already not an easy job, but all of the extra stuff they’re tasked with is such a pain that turnover is a big problem. The longer tenured teachers tough it out to retirement, but the younger ones get burnt out quickly and often leave.
Where pay is a problem is in shortages for specific kinds of teachers. The shortage is far more dire for hs math and science teachers than it is for elementary education, ela, or for history teachers. One reason is that they cannot offer to pay more for one type of hs teacher than another despite there being a substantial gap in the number of qualified interested persons to teach those subjects. It’s a lot more difficult to get certified as an AP level physics or chemistry teacher than it is to teach English or social studies, but they’re paid the same. Thus, there’s a perpetual shortage of those teachers with more specialized qualifications.
Where pay is a problem is in shortages for specific kinds of teachers. The shortage is far more dire for hs math and science teachers than it is for elementary education, ela, or for history teachers. One reason is that they cannot offer to pay more for one type of hs teacher than another despite there being a substantial gap in the number of qualified interested persons to teach those subjects. It’s a lot more difficult to get certified as an AP level physics or chemistry teacher than it is to teach English or social studies, but they’re paid the same. Thus, there’s a perpetual shortage of those teachers with more specialized qualifications.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:44 am to jcaz
quote:I hear this a lot. It's incredibly easy work, and you hardly ever have to actually go in and do it.
Yeah so noble to get every holiday and summer off along with a pension after 20 years of service.
So why is it difficult to hire teachers?
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:52 am to tokenBoiler
I’ve taught middle school in the inner city. That’s one of the most difficult jobs I’ve ever had.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:54 am to boudinman
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This just shows how much Louisiana values its teachers both active and retirees.
If covid has taught us one thing, it's that teachers love to bitch about money, while not really producing. Sure there is the outlier that actually gives a shite about the kids, but mostly, they just want to be called "heroes" and demand a paycheck for not working.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:04 am to boudinman
JBE’s wife was a teacher. Everything’s gonna be alright.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:08 am to boudinman
50% salary for 50% actual work
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:09 am to boudinman
Some people claim to understand the entire issue but are missing points.
Teachers are paid for 180 days of instruction exactly as one reply said. 2 personal days and 8 sick days (needed when exposed to kids blowing their noses on you all the time). They are paid $0 for a minute of overtime. Parent/teacher conferences, school plays, collecting tickets at a game - nothing. They are not paid for any hours setting up a classroom before the year begins or clearing a room after a year ends.
30 years gets you 75%. It takes 40 years for 100%. There is no 401k. That being said IF you can make it the retirement benefit is good.
The post that said it’s outside the teaching part is correct. It’s not the kids. It’s admin and other stuff. Nothing says challenge like being chased down a hall by a parent in a bathrobe because they don’t think Billy should have been put out of class for throwing a book at you or little Tommy.
All that being said teachers that do the job for the right reasons struggle. Just like any profession there are good ones caught trying to do a good job. They are shunned by their less intelligent but more woke coworkers, never fit in and usually have admin pushing and threatening them to toe the line and teach what they don’t believe belongs in the classroom. The ones you want there leave early because doing the job RIGHT is a daily mountain climb. The ones you don’t want - it’s not a problem for them.
Teachers are paid for 180 days of instruction exactly as one reply said. 2 personal days and 8 sick days (needed when exposed to kids blowing their noses on you all the time). They are paid $0 for a minute of overtime. Parent/teacher conferences, school plays, collecting tickets at a game - nothing. They are not paid for any hours setting up a classroom before the year begins or clearing a room after a year ends.
30 years gets you 75%. It takes 40 years for 100%. There is no 401k. That being said IF you can make it the retirement benefit is good.
The post that said it’s outside the teaching part is correct. It’s not the kids. It’s admin and other stuff. Nothing says challenge like being chased down a hall by a parent in a bathrobe because they don’t think Billy should have been put out of class for throwing a book at you or little Tommy.
All that being said teachers that do the job for the right reasons struggle. Just like any profession there are good ones caught trying to do a good job. They are shunned by their less intelligent but more woke coworkers, never fit in and usually have admin pushing and threatening them to toe the line and teach what they don’t believe belongs in the classroom. The ones you want there leave early because doing the job RIGHT is a daily mountain climb. The ones you don’t want - it’s not a problem for them.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:11 am to boudinman
Might want to search Mister Coffee Bean if you think the bottom has been found.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:13 am to timdonaghyswhistle
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Teachers are paid an average of $51,666 in Louisiana. I stopped crying right there.
Middle of the pack pay for the lowest results in the nation…
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