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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:37 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:37 pm to OMLandshark
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I feel relatively confident Putin would have taken a deal where Russia gets to keep Donbas and Crimea and access to the Black Sea and NATO simply fricks off and doesn’t add Ukraine to NATO
This was offered and Putin vetoed it
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Russian President Vladimir Putin had rejected a potential deal with Ukraine offered by his key envoy in the early days of the invasion as he “expanded” his goals to include annexing more territory, Reuters reported Wednesday, citing three unnamed sources close to Russia's leadership.
Kremlin deputy chief of staff Dmitry Kozak, Putin’s chief envoy on Ukraine, was said to have secured a deal guaranteeing that Ukraine would not join NATO — a key Russian demand prior to its full-scale invasion of its pro-Western neighbor.
According to Reuters, Putin made clear that Kozak’s deal with an unspecified number of Ukrainian concessions did not go far enough.
Putin reportedly “expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory,” Reuters reported.
“Everything was canceled. Putin simply changed the plan as he went along,” one of Reuters’ sources was quoted as saying.
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So again, please cite anything that shows Russia was willing to accept anything other than a complete Ukraine surrender
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:09 pm to StormyMcMan
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So again, please cite anything that shows Russia was willing to accept anything other than a complete Ukraine surrender
Those opposing US aid to Ukraine are always pushing the notion that Russia is only doing what we forced them to do, and all Ukraine needed to do was compromise with Russia.
Of course Putin was never forced into invading in 2014, and never forced to ratchet things up in 2022; nor did he ever indicate he would compromise.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:47 pm to StormyMcMan
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This was offered and Putin vetoed it
Well that’s an obvious lie. We all know that Boris went to Ukraine to blow up any deal that Zelensky may have been considering. Zelensky knows that if he compromises with Russia, then either NATO or the Nazis around him will kill him and his entire family. Can’t say I blame Zelensky with those stakes.
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