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Posted on 5/12/24 at 2:56 pm to ColtRange
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:23 pm to CitizenK
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It looks like Shoigu is done for. Will he return to Tuva and throat sing?
I hear Gazprom is looking for a new CEO.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:39 pm to doubleb
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It looks like Shoigu is done for. Will he return to Tuva and throat sing?
I understand they gave him a office on the 10th floor.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
Money should have been spent in 2014, instead we waited 8 years to help.
Then the 1st two years of the war we never committed to giving sufficient supplies.
RINO's like you need to cross over to Democrat party.
Then the 1st two years of the war we never committed to giving sufficient supplies.
RINO's like you need to cross over to Democrat party.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 3:47 pm to LSU7096
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Then the 1st two years of the war we never committed to giving sufficient supplies.
"As long as it takes."- Dementia Joe
Posted on 5/12/24 at 4:02 pm to trinidadtiger
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If you mean he threatened to nuke them, along with the hostages if need be, to prove that no piss arse country would have the tail wagging the dog, then yes he did.
But then you left that part out didnt you
You're proving yourself to be a know-nothing dip s h i t
ESQUIRE: A recent report has confirmed the long-whispered rumor that Reagan did a deal with Iran to sink Carter's re-election
and I'm sure what came next will be a complete fricking surprise to you
Iran-Contra Affair
Stop posting, you just look like an idiot
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 5/12/24 at 4:14 pm to CitizenK
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It looks like Shoigu is done for.
His replacement is Andrei Belousov who has a background in finance as opposed to military experience.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 5:14 pm to cypher
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His replacement is Andrei Belousov who has a background in finance as opposed to military experience.
Financial issues in war production? It makes one wonder
Posted on 5/12/24 at 5:23 pm to trinidadtiger
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and I don't believe any of the details about the deal to remove the nukes in Turkey and Italy were known and confirmed until the fall of the Soviet Union
This is very ignorant, surely you dont believe what you just posted.
How old are you?
I can remember when the Soviet Union collapsed, and all of the information that then trickled out from Russia and from the US since it was "old news" at that point, including that bit about the nukes being removed in Turkey and Italy.
The world thought Kennedy "beat" Krushev, and that was Krushev's undoing though it took a few years for the party to remove him from power for looking weak. The Russians never made a big deal out of the nukes in Turkey and Italy because it also would make them look weaker... the US could blockade Cuba and prevent the Soviets from supplying it (with anything... pretty much dooming the island), the Soviets could not keep anything from being deployed in Southern and Western Europe.
The Cuban Missile Crisis was - in reality - kind of a US PR stunt. One that did almost cause a nuclear war, but things like this weren't usually handled over the public airwaves. Kennedy said he regretted going public with it and plunging the world into hysteria... and it was more about making sure the world was opposed to Castro than with the USSR, really... that's why you look at the Turkey+Italy missile deployments and say "but we did the same thing, so why did we react that way?"
Reagan later helped destroy the Soviet Union by making it a nuclear spending competition, knowing the USSR could not keep up and would have to choose between feeding its people and trying to keep up.
But Reagan later watched a TV movie called "The Day After" and seemed to realize suddenly that a nuclear war would not have a good outcome and worked with the Russians to reduce the number of nukes on both sides (look up “INF” and “START”)... Reagan wanted to get rid of ALL nukes, but the Pentagon flipped out and argued with him that without some of them left there'd be no deterrent to the USSR overrunning Western Europe. Still, the reduction gave the USSR a financial lifeline of a few more years since it didn't have to try to produce more nukes (and they were faking a lot of them, anyway... a former Soviet military official said that when you see those military parades in Moscow from the early 80s, and those missiles being a part of it, they were empty shells... because they weren't able to produce enough of them).
Posted on 5/12/24 at 5:30 pm to CitizenK
quote:Drinking + Pregnancy = Low IQs
Russia must be full of very very low IQ people
Plenty of FASD manifesting there, especially in children in orphanages.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 5:33 pm to Lee B
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How old are you?
I'm old enough to have witnessed it as an adult with children.
Nope your are clueless about the USSR and Reagan. It was colluding with the Saudis due Russia backed the new Mullah led Iran, which bankrupted Russia with Saudi Arabia getting to replace Russia in several crude oil markets and Russia had to lower its price to below cost to produce and get to market. At the same time missile defense system (and one that didn't exist) caused Russia to spend more than it could afford on offensive weapons. Additionally, the small wars backing rebels as proxies in Central America, Africa and Central Asia. Everyone should know about Afghanistan but there was way more than that. This also put additional economical pressure on Russia.
What the Reagan admin knew coming into office was how grossly inefficient Russia's economy was with more waste than our own by a lot. Russia still has a very inefficient economy.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 5:57 pm to CitizenK
How does that contradict anything I said, exactly?
Posted on 5/12/24 at 6:05 pm to CitizenK
and I was responding to Trinidad Tiger, look at the quote...
The fact that there was some behind-the-scenes wrangling and agreement to take the nukes out of Italy and Turkey to get the nukes out of Cuba in 1963 was not made public until 1989, when communism collapsed in eastern Europe.
If anybody can prove that incorrect by producing dated newspaper articles about it, you can make everybody change that info in every history site,
The fact that there was some behind-the-scenes wrangling and agreement to take the nukes out of Italy and Turkey to get the nukes out of Cuba in 1963 was not made public until 1989, when communism collapsed in eastern Europe.
If anybody can prove that incorrect by producing dated newspaper articles about it, you can make everybody change that info in every history site,
Posted on 5/12/24 at 6:41 pm to cypher
Ruskies are sayng he was moved to another position. deputy head of the defense industry committee. So looks like he's still involved in some way
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:01 pm to CitizenK
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What the Reagan admin knew coming into office was how grossly inefficient Russia's economy was with more waste than our own by a lot. Russia still has a very inefficient economy.
Corruption was the "underground" capitalism that kept the USSR running as long as it did.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:12 pm to Auburn1968
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Corruption was the "underground" capitalism that kept the USSR running as long as it did.
Absolutely. The black market was so vital they had to ignore that it existed.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:19 pm to CitizenK
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"It was colluding with the Saudis due Russia backed the new Mullah led Iran..."
And Reagan was at the same time supplying Mullah-led Iran with weapons, as the deal he made for them to not free the hostages while Carter was still in office, then afterwards as a way to fund the Contras...
But to make it even more confusing, the US was also selling arms to Hussein in Iraq and paying him to wage war on Iran. When we shifted policy away from that he got pissy and started threatening Saudi Arabia and Kuwait because he thought we were just full of crap and too twisted up in everything to do anything about it.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:53 pm to Lee B
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And Reagan was at the same time supplying Mullah-led Iran with weapons, as the deal he made for them to not free the hostages while Carter was still in office, then afterwards as a way to fund the Contras...
Wrong on Iran. He did supply aid to Iraq in its fight against Iran.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 10:22 pm to CitizenK
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Wrong on Iran
I'm right. He got caught.
(This is about hostages held in Lebanon)
New York Times 1987: "REAGAN ACKNOWLEDGES ARMS-FOR-HOSTAGES SWAP
PRESIDENT TELLS NATION DEALS WITH IRAN WERE A MISTAKE, BUT ADDRESS DOES NOT INCLUDE AN APOLOGY
"A few months ago I told the American people that I did not trade arms for hostages," Reagan said in a 13-minute speech from the Oval Office. "My heart and my best intentions still tell me that is true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not."
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