re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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I've read some delusional shite from troll farm bots spewing the party line... but this.....this is in a league of its own.

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Funny coming from the person that said Ukraine would be in Tokmak by Halloween '23.

Also love how there's been nearly zero mention of Avdiivka throughout this thread, meanwhile when a jet full of Ukrainian POW's is downed there's about 10 pages of jacking each other off.

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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why America needs to spend one single dime on a regional conflict that doesn't affect us one iota. Western Europe has the finances and resources to handle it themselves.

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You mean other than the fact that America, UK and others promised to protect Ukraine's independence if they gave up their nukes? There was a lot of concern in the early 1990's that some of those nukes would find their way into terrorist hands for the right price.

Where were you in the early 1990's?

Budapest Memorandum
On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, United Kingdom, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:[13]

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

— Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons[13]

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the do-gooders on here go into paroxysms of grief or anger if you even suggest that we no longer have any business participating in NATO, either

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a regional conflict that doesn't affect us one iota.

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Nothing that Russia does, then, would affect us. Why don't we just get rid of all of our nuclear weapons? Who cares that Russia has over 5000 nukes aimed at us? Russia is our friend, right? We have nothing to fear from Russian power. Hey, let's also let them continue to control Latin American countries such as Cuba and Venezuela -- it's not like the dictatorships in those countries are forcing millions of refugees across our border or anything.

No, the real problem is America. We've meddled too much in the world, and we need to learn our place and let more responsible countries such as Russia and China take the lead. In fact, who cares if China takes over Taiwan? Who cares if the Sino-Russian alliance controls the world? Our grandchildren can learn to speak Russian and Chinese with no problem.

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Who cares if the Sino-Russian alliance controls the world? Our grandchildren can learn to speak Russian and Chinese with no problem.

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GOP_Tiger

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You need a long break.

Honestly, my understanding of the deep state is that it's much more than you describe. Its supposedly a number of families that have been around for many many years. Think hundreds, and in some cases thousands. These are the people who control the world. The Forbes list of wealthiest people in the world does not come close, and they are never mentioned. I'm personally on the fence, but I've read into it extensively
Sorry for getting off topic

The deep state is the enormous bureaucracy mostly created for social program spending. It consists of mostly of professional memo writers. The deep state can pencil phuck anyone in a heartbeat

If ruling families then the Build a Burgers are gonna get you at their annual get together where they lament the loss of the days of European colonies bringing in wealth from places like the Congo and Sumatra. The Rothschilds are down to almost nothing. They lost the biggest portion of their wealth in WWII during Germany's takeover of Austria and France.

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There is no secret “deep state” that exists separate from the actual government. It’s a fantasy.

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Every failed person needs an imaginary boogeyman to blame his situation on.

For people of color, it's systemic racism. For white males, it's the Deep State.

You guys are such femmes. You support this as well as Blinkens concerns about "misgendendering" Palestinians.

I can't wait to rub Trump's victory in your faces.