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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:51 am to MoarKilometers
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:51 am to MoarKilometers
Euan MacDonald
@Euan_MacDonald
The half-submerged remains of the Novocherkask large landing ship are just visible in this photo from Feodosia in Ukraine's Russian-occupied Crimea this morning. It looks like the ship has been destroyed - not just damaged as Moscow claims. #Crimea #Kaboom
@Euan_MacDonald
The half-submerged remains of the Novocherkask large landing ship are just visible in this photo from Feodosia in Ukraine's Russian-occupied Crimea this morning. It looks like the ship has been destroyed - not just damaged as Moscow claims. #Crimea #Kaboom
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 5:44 am to cypher
Clearer photo:
Reference points to better understand what's left:
Reference points to better understand what's left:
Posted on 12/26/23 at 7:45 am to GOP_Tiger
This would explain some of the problems with shells.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 7:47 am to Bunk Moreland
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This would explain some of the problems with shells.
Explains a lot, evidently.
Gonna be a lot of wealthy ex Ukranians when its all over. The battle is generating a lot of wealth.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:09 am to Bunk Moreland
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This would explain some of the problems with shells.
What problems? I've read a lot recently about Russian problems with the North Korean shells that they received, but I'm unaware of any systematic Ukrainian problems.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Gonna be a lot of wealthy ex Ukranians when its all over. The battle is generating a lot of wealth
The war has bankrupted countless Ukrainian businessmen. A great many factories have been destroyed by Russian bombings, farmers near the front lines can't harvest their crops, shipping out of Ukrainian ports was shut down for a year, etc. Electricity outages last winter meant that industries and business were frequently idled. The destruction of the Kakhovka Dam destroyed irrigation systems and water supplies for a vast area in southern Ukraine.
Overall, the war caused the Ukrainian economy to contract by 35% in 2022. It's rebounded some this year, but Russia's invasion has caused incredible economic devastation across Ukraine.
It's certainly true that Ukraine still has work to do in its fight against corruption, but "generating a lot of wealth"? Saying that is as stupid as it is evil.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:23 am to GOP_Tiger
Not having enough.
With western aid stalled, Ukrainian troops run low on artillery shells.
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“If the situation doesn’t change, or even worsens, we will not be able to suppress them and they will push us back,” Artem said. “What can you do with 10 shells per day? It is barely enough to respond to their advances — we are not even talking about attacking their positions.”
Insufficient supplies of shells have been a persistent problem for Ukraine since Russia invaded in February 2022.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed the current shortage during his year-end news conference last week, though he insisted that the military was holding strong.
With western aid stalled, Ukrainian troops run low on artillery shells.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:26 am to GOP_Tiger
It’s really funny you don’t hear from all the Putin lovers when things like this happen. I guess because there’s no possible way they can spin it as no big deal. Honestly what’s even more important than that landing ship sitting at the bottom of the port is the fact that it is sitting at the bottom of the PORT which means it’s blocking all those loading cranes and that isn’t changing anytime soon. It’s going to take them a long time to get that sunken ship out of the way so they can reuse that docking spot to load/offload materials. Have they said if it was the sea baby drones, Neptune or StormShadow launched from Su-24s yet?
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 8:29 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:45 am to cypher
I can see the Russian media now. “Russia adds to it’s mighty submarine fleet converting a surface ship to perform underwater operations.”
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:52 am to LSUPilot07
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It’s going to take them a long time to get that sunken ship out of the way so they can reuse that docking spot to load/offload materials
I think they could use those same cranes with drop knives (thick steel plates pointed like a knife and dropped from a height) to cut that into pieces and then yank it out fairly quickly. I bet it could be done in thirty days, since I doubt they are that worried about pollution.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:56 am to LSUPilot07
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Have they said if it was the sea baby drones, Neptune or StormShadow launched from Su-24s yet?
The commander of the air force issued a statement thanking the pilots. That's all I've seen so far.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:57 am to cypher
Ukraine has confirmed that the attack was carried out with Storm Shadow missiles.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:08 am to cypher
Then 2 Su-24M were the launching platform. So much for Russia saying they had destroyed them all.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 9:09 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:08 am to Athanatos
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I think they could use those same cranes with drop knives (thick steel plates pointed like a knife and dropped from a height) to cut that into pieces and then yank it out fairly quickly
Where did you come up with this idea, seriously laughable.
Some Ginzu steel plates?
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:12 am to CitizenK
quote:I agree.
Where did you come up with this idea, seriously laughable
I have years of experience in marine salvage and this idea is exactly opposite of what the easiest technique would be: to run cables under the hull at intervals amidships and then individually pull each cable up, using the weight of the wreck to force the cable through the hull to section it into manageable lengths to recover.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 10:19 am to soccerfüt
More bad news for Putin:
EDIT: The above report was incorrect. The Parliament's Foreign Policy Committee approved it and has forwarded it to the full Parliament for a vote.
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#BREAKING: Turkish Parliament approves Sweden's NATO bid, reports the AFP.
EDIT: The above report was incorrect. The Parliament's Foreign Policy Committee approved it and has forwarded it to the full Parliament for a vote.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:20 pm to GOP_Tiger
Mark Krutov
@kromark
The first low-resolution @planet satellite images of the Feodosia port, captured on December 26 at 11:25 local time, show that one more vessel (yellow square) is indeed partially sunk following the Ukrainian strike on the 'Novocherkassk' landing ship.
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@kromark
The first low-resolution @planet satellite images of the Feodosia port, captured on December 26 at 11:25 local time, show that one more vessel (yellow square) is indeed partially sunk following the Ukrainian strike on the 'Novocherkassk' landing ship.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
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There was certainly a spectacular explosion in Feodosia. Twitter video
Looks like Nakatomi Plaza being lit up. Merry Christmas !
Posted on 12/26/23 at 2:13 pm to CitizenK
I’ve seen it. It works, and you don’t need a huge crane to try to lift the whole thing.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 3:02 pm to Athanatos
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I’ve seen it. It works, and you don’t need a huge crane to try to lift the whole thing.
The weight you would need for not a barge or lightly built ship is far more than you likely have seen
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