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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:15 am to SirWinston
Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:15 am to SirWinston
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In St. Petersburg, 11 men were given summonses to register for military service during the citizenship obtaining ceremony - Russian media.
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The German Prosecutor General's Office is going to confiscate more than 720 million euros of frozen Russian money to the budget.
These are the assets of an unknown Russian company that was trying to get the money out from under sanctions.
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German Attorney General Peter Frank wants to confiscate more than €720 million of Russian assets, Spiegel.
These funds were placed by a subsidiary of the Moscow Stock Exchange in the German branch of the large American bank J.P. Morgan.
As the publication writes, the Federal Prosecutor's Office of Germany has already submitted a statement to the Higher Land Court of Frankfurt am Main.
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Danish beer producer Carlsberg has handed over humanitarian aid in the form of 24,000 cans of non-alcoholic beer to Ukraine.
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The issue of U.S. aid to Ukraine is postponed until January 2024, according to a joint statement from Democrats and Republicans in the Senate.
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Ukraine's losses from the blockade of the western borders may reach 1.5 billion dollars, — NBU.
It is reported that the decrease in the volume of foreign trade due to restrictions on the movement of freight transport through the western borders of Ukraine for November and December may reach 1.5 billion dollars.
In November, the reduction amounted to 860 million dollars, and in December - 620 million dollars.
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Western countries may legalize the confiscation of frozen Russian assets by recognizing themselves as victims of the war in Ukraine - FT citing sources
According to a document from US officials, this list may include Ukraine's allies that provided financial support to the Ukrainian economy and armed forces during the war. The funds may be transferred to Ukraine partly through international banks.
However, critics warn that such steps could undermine the confidence of countries that place their financial reserves abroad in euros or dollars.
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:15 am to SirWinston
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That is a lie. I was making a point about how our Overton window is shifting in regards to perception about our govts trustworthiness.
Not surprised that you twist things and take out of context like your warmongering buddies Kinzinger and Cheney re: Jan 6 and our MIC.
I certainly apologize for any misunderstanding, but help me out. What does this mean?
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This seems convincing to me.
Because that doesn't sound like you are making a point about the Overton Window. When I read that sentence, it sounds to me that you are referencing your own belief.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:19 am to notiger1997
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With our modern military and the way WE would fight a war ourselves, are shells really something that should matter much to us? I wouldn’t think we would use many.
I think our gamble on fewer more mobile units with precision fires was wrong
GPS guided munitions are great, but you still need mass.
We should also think about what happens if your enemy can jam your PGMs. We haven’t done that.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 7:23 am
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:44 am to Lima Whiskey
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
20 December 2023
In recent weeks, Ukraine has mobilised a concerted effort to improve field fortifications as its forces pivot to a more defensive posture along much of the front line.
This follows Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's calls, from late November 2023, for faster fortification in key sectors. In one part of the project, Ukraine has worked to improve defences along its border with Belarus with dragon's teeth, razor wire, and anti-tank ditches as of mid-December 2023.
Russia continues local offensive options in several sectors, but individual attacks are rarely above platoon size. A major Russian breakthrough is unlikely and overall, the front is characterised by
stasis.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
20 December 2023
In recent weeks, Ukraine has mobilised a concerted effort to improve field fortifications as its forces pivot to a more defensive posture along much of the front line.
This follows Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's calls, from late November 2023, for faster fortification in key sectors. In one part of the project, Ukraine has worked to improve defences along its border with Belarus with dragon's teeth, razor wire, and anti-tank ditches as of mid-December 2023.
Russia continues local offensive options in several sectors, but individual attacks are rarely above platoon size. A major Russian breakthrough is unlikely and overall, the front is characterised by
stasis.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 7:45 am
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:44 am to StormyMcMan
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Danish beer producer Carlsberg has handed over humanitarian aid in the form of 24,000 cans of non-alcoholic beer to Ukraine.
Nice try Carlsberg
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:48 am to notiger1997
There is a very old saying that artillery is the king of the battle field. That hasn't changed.
What has changed is two fold:
1) The US has allowed its manufacturing base to atrophy to the point where it is not capable of supporting sustained combat operations. During WW2, there were countless examples of factories retooling to pump out war materials. Those factories are all sitting overseas today.
All you have to do is get off the interstate and drive through the towns to see the remains of shut down manufacturing facilities.
2) The complexity of modern weapon systems makes replacing combat losses much more expensive and time-consuming. Even if we had the manufacturing base to convert to war time production, it would take years to bring it online...just what we're seeing with the attempts to ramp up artillery shell production.
In my opinion, the lack of suitable manufacturing capabilities is our biggest strategic risk today.
What has changed is two fold:
1) The US has allowed its manufacturing base to atrophy to the point where it is not capable of supporting sustained combat operations. During WW2, there were countless examples of factories retooling to pump out war materials. Those factories are all sitting overseas today.
All you have to do is get off the interstate and drive through the towns to see the remains of shut down manufacturing facilities.
2) The complexity of modern weapon systems makes replacing combat losses much more expensive and time-consuming. Even if we had the manufacturing base to convert to war time production, it would take years to bring it online...just what we're seeing with the attempts to ramp up artillery shell production.
In my opinion, the lack of suitable manufacturing capabilities is our biggest strategic risk today.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:02 am to Lima Whiskey
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I think our gamble on fewer more mobile units with precision fires was wrong GPS guided munitions are great, but you still need mass.
Yes and no to this statement.
Yes, I agree we need to up are production capacity on shells. We do not need to be in a major conflict where we are having to conserve shells
No, mass battlefield coverage is not needed. There was a video I watched the other day of two salvos from Russian MLRS attacking the battlefield as viewed from a Ukrainian spotter drone.
The dispersion/accuracy was all over the place. If you had a mass charge across a field, then maybe this works. But one guided shell would have done more.
My issue with shells is the effect of cluster munitions on both side shows their effect. Congress has never ratified the anti cluster munition treaty, it was an Obama EO. Next president needs to end that EO.
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cluster munitions, can equal the lethal effectiveness of 15 high-explosive (HE) howitzer shells
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:14 am to Chromdome35
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In my opinion, the lack of suitable manufacturing capabilities is our biggest strategic risk today.
I cannot upvote this comment enough...
Posted on 12/20/23 at 10:20 am to klrstix
Kamyshin: Ukraine produced 50,000 FPV drones in December
In December, the Ukrainian defense industry produced about 50,000 FPV drones and plans to produce thousands of medium- and long-range unmanned combat aerial vehicles.
Oleksandr Kamyshin, Minister for Strategic Industries of Ukraine, reported this.
“Yesterday, at the final press conference, the President promised that Ukraine would produce one million drones next year. And this only covers FPV drones. In December, we will produce over 50 thousand FPV drones,” Kamyshin shared.
The Kyiv Independent
In December, the Ukrainian defense industry produced about 50,000 FPV drones and plans to produce thousands of medium- and long-range unmanned combat aerial vehicles.
Oleksandr Kamyshin, Minister for Strategic Industries of Ukraine, reported this.
“Yesterday, at the final press conference, the President promised that Ukraine would produce one million drones next year. And this only covers FPV drones. In December, we will produce over 50 thousand FPV drones,” Kamyshin shared.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 12/20/23 at 10:39 am to Chromdome35
People complain about the Lake City armory because their bullets are used by civilians, but it’s exactly this dual market that enables them to stay tooled up and ready to meet government demands. This should be the standard to follow as much as possible. Obviously it wont work for 155mm shells, but the government needs to be prepared to address this issue. The lack of domestic drone manufacturing is probably another issue to be looked at.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 10:55 am to Athanatos
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Obviously it wont work for 155mm shells
I mean..it could
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:18 am to Chromdome35
I started calling out the problem in defense manufacturing in this thread back in June of 22
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=102925198&s=2&p=101373605#102925198
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=102924918&s=2&p=101373605#102924918
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=102892028&s=2&p=101373605#102892028
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=102925198&s=2&p=101373605#102925198
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=102924918&s=2&p=101373605#102924918
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=102892028&s=2&p=101373605#102892028
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I hope one of the takeaways from this war for the US and NATO is that the volume of ammunition consumed daily requires ample stores.
Modern weapon systems have long replenishment timelines, if current manufacturing capacity can’t replenish stocks fast enough to keep up with a war, you have to have a bigger stockpile so you can last long enough to bring additional manufacturing capacity online.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:22 am to Chromdome35
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There is a very old saying that artillery is the king of the battle field. That hasn't changed.
What has changed is two fold:
1) The US has allowed its manufacturing base to atrophy to the point where it is not capable of supporting sustained combat operations. During WW2, there were countless examples of factories retooling to pump out war materials. Those factories are all sitting overseas today.
All you have to do is get off the interstate and drive through the towns to see the remains of shut down manufacturing facilities.
2) The complexity of modern weapon systems makes replacing combat losses much more expensive and time-consuming. Even if we had the manufacturing base to convert to war time production, it would take years to bring it online...just what we're seeing with the attempts to ramp up artillery shell production.
In my opinion, the lack of suitable manufacturing capabilities is our biggest strategic risk today.
Been noticing this for years. At the outset of WWII, for example, we had 4 carriers in the Pacific with a total of 8 operational. Four years later, that number was in the 60 range. America had a huge industrial base to convert to war time production. We don't have that anymore.
An incident that sticks in my mind from years ago was the delay in post hurricane clean up in Florida due to shipping time for sheetrock and screws from China.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:36 am to cypher
quote:This is their solution to the artillery shell shortage. For targeting vehicles it is better than artillery as it has better range and accuracy, to say nothing of cost effectiveness. For troop concentrations it is as good, especially at night.
Kamyshin: Ukraine produced 50,000 FPV drones in December In December, the Ukrainian defense industry produced about 50,000 FPV drones and plans to produce thousands of medium- and long-range unmanned combat aerial vehicles.
I'm certainly not saying artillery is outdated, just that FPV drones are forcing a rethink. The production of 50k drones in one month or less tells us all we need to know.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:39 am to tigeraddict
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The dispersion/accuracy was all over the place. If you had a mass charge across a field, then maybe this works. But one guided shell would have done more.
The Russians are jamming the PGMs we’ve sent Kiev. So if it was us in that situation, that GPS guided shell would be reduced to inertial guidance.
You do that across the front, which the Russian have, they’ve invested heavily in electronic warfare, then our reliance on PGMs is a liability.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:51 am to Chromdome35
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All you have to do is get off the interstate and drive through the towns to see the remains of shut down manufacturing facilities.
Every time I take a train ride down to Wilmington or DC, I note the number of rundown former factory buildings beside the tracks. Those were once latent military power.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 11:58 am to Auburn1968
It is also one of the primary (prob #1) reasons for the overall decline in America.
All those shut down manufacturing facilities across the country represented blue collar middle class jobs. Every town with a plant had secondary business (grocery stores, furniture stores, Auto Dealerships, Construction companies, etc...) that serviced the communities of people that worked at those plants.
Plant shuts down, all of the secondary business shuts down with it. Whats left is mainly service industry such as Nail salons, vape stores, cell phone dealers, fast food places where the jobs are low paying and low skill. This drives poverty which drives crime, vandalism, drug use, etc..
At the end of WW2, my Grandfather started a furniture store in Camden Arkansas, right next to the store was an IP Papermill. That papermill was the foundation of the Camden economy. Beyond the people it directly employeed, there were thousands of people who's jobs were directly linked to that mill. When the mill closed, the town died, the population is down over 25% and the poverty levels which were already high, skyrocketed.
The quickest way to "fix" America is to restore our industrial base.
All those shut down manufacturing facilities across the country represented blue collar middle class jobs. Every town with a plant had secondary business (grocery stores, furniture stores, Auto Dealerships, Construction companies, etc...) that serviced the communities of people that worked at those plants.
Plant shuts down, all of the secondary business shuts down with it. Whats left is mainly service industry such as Nail salons, vape stores, cell phone dealers, fast food places where the jobs are low paying and low skill. This drives poverty which drives crime, vandalism, drug use, etc..
At the end of WW2, my Grandfather started a furniture store in Camden Arkansas, right next to the store was an IP Papermill. That papermill was the foundation of the Camden economy. Beyond the people it directly employeed, there were thousands of people who's jobs were directly linked to that mill. When the mill closed, the town died, the population is down over 25% and the poverty levels which were already high, skyrocketed.
The quickest way to "fix" America is to restore our industrial base.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 12:29 pm to Chromdome35
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What has changed is two fold:
1) The US has allowed its manufacturing base to atrophy to the point where it is not capable of supporting sustained combat operations. During WW2, there were countless examples of factories retooling to pump out war materials. Those factories are all sitting overseas today.
All you have to do is get off the interstate and drive through the towns to see the remains of shut down manufacturing facilities.
2) The complexity of modern weapon systems makes replacing combat losses much more expensive and time-consuming. Even if we had the manufacturing base to convert to war time production, it would take years to bring it online...just what we're seeing with the attempts to ramp up artillery shell production.
In my opinion, the lack of suitable manufacturing capabilities is our biggest strategic risk today.
The Newtron/Clinton tax reforms paid companies to call manufacturing sites to be mothballed and receive money for 5 years. That is way demolition of sites began around 2004 in earnest. Many of these companies shutdown to get paid while moving manufacturing overseas. The ones I know about moved to Turkey and India. The Turkish moves were for their Austrian subsidiaries and these were heavy steel fabrication plants, not tin knockers which most metal fab companies are.
When I was in St. Louis liquidating a steel foundry in the 1980's and supervising environmental remediation at a form GM plant (it made Corvette Stingrays back in the day), there was an adjacent artillery shell manufacturer which per everyone around, never produced a single usable shell. It operated in WWII through Vietnam. I have zero doubts that a lot of expenditures back in WWII were wasted like this
Posted on 12/20/23 at 12:33 pm to CitizenK
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there was an adjacent artillery shell manufacturer which per everyone around, never produced a single usable shell. It operated in WWII through Vietnam.
The Russians are restarting T-80 production at the Omsktransmash plant. That assembly line has been idle for 27 years.
Its nice to have capacity to build something when you need it.
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