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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:50 pm to
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:50 pm to
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Now Ukraine is on the brink on not having the manpower to use the equipment.



Weewee swears otherwise. I don't believe it. Logic would lead one to believe that most of Ukraine's experienced soldiers are either dead or too wounded to fight, leaving the inexperienced and possibly unwilling.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
18041 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:52 pm to
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Member when they were marching all the way to Moscow? I member.

Do you still remember how that "peace agreement" turned out???
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25817 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 10:00 pm to
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Weewee swears otherwise. I don't believe it. Logic would lead one to believe that most of Ukraine's experienced soldiers are either dead or too wounded to fight, leaving the inexperienced and possibly unwilling.


In general, people who were members of the military before a war breaks out live a lot longer than people who enter the military after a conflict starts for a lot of reasons. FNGs are usually a large percentage of the casualties.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98305 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:07 pm to
Alleged video of Ukrainian SOF operating in Sudan going after Wagner Group LINK
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 12:15 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98305 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:08 pm to
Russian ship blowing up real good LINK
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6867 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:37 pm to
Supposed damage
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2575 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:13 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
07 November 2023

As reported by Ukrainian and Russian sources, on 4 November 2023, a newly built Russian naval corvette was almost certainly damaged after being struck while alongside at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch, occupied Crimea.

The KARAKURST-class Askold, launched in 2021, had not been commissioned into the Russian Navy. The incident is farther to the east in Crimea than most previous Ukrainian-claimed long-range strikes.

Ukraine's capability to hit Crimean shipbuilding infrastructure will likely cause Russia to consider relocating farther from the front line, delaying the delivery of new vessels.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1501 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 4:48 am to
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Alleged video of Ukrainian SOF operating in Sudan going after Wagner Group

I wonder if this SOF operation in distant Sudan had anything to do with Zelinsky's decision to relieve the SOF Commander on Nov. 3? LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17949 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:01 am to
Really valuable Twitter thread: LINK. Here's the key point:

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What's been completely missing from this West-centric debate (either if it's the resilient attitude or the "I can't manage several crises" attitude) is Russia. Western observers seem to assume that Putin will welcome an end to war he's stuck in and they're wrong.

Putin remaining in the war is what's keeping him in power and giving his rule meaning. Russia under sanctions, with a light totalitarian political system, without an external threat, is unsustainable. The eternal war has become a necessity for Putin.



Putin has wrecked the Russian economy for the next decade or more. He's made their nation a pariah and turned them into a dependency of China. And, yes, the Russian people are currently living in oppression, where holding up a protest sign results in immediate prison.

But, for the average Russian, all that is understandable, because they are fighting a war, and everyone knows that sacrifices need to be made during wartime.

But if the war were to end, and everyone had to ask themselves "What's happened?" It would be the end of Putin.

That's why Russia HAS to keep doing stupid stuff like the Avdiivka offensive. The illusion that "we are going to finish taking the Donbas" has to be maintained.

And that's one of Ukraine's biggest advantages. We can speculate all we like about the degree to which this year's southern offensive was driven by politics, but the Russian military is far more engulfed by politics than the Ukrainian one.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17949 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:11 am to
Ukraine has apparently struck Taganrog air base inside Russia.

LINK

After ATACMS hit Berdyansk, Taganrog was where the remaining airworthy helicopters were relocated.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
481 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:19 am to
So they are all out of helicopters? How deep into Russia was this base?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82149 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:25 am to
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But if the war were to end, and everyone had to ask themselves "What's happened?" It would be the end of Putin.

That's why Russia HAS to keep doing stupid stuff like the Avdiivka offensive. The illusion that "we are going to finish taking the Donbas" has to be maintained.


A (very) rare intelligent post by you. Not surprised that you didn't actually author it yourself.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 6:27 am
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35116 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:26 am to
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A (very rare) intelligent post by you. Not surprised that you didn't actually author it yourself.

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That's why Russia HAS to keep doing stupid stuff like the Avdiivka offensive.

You finally changing sides like your tranny crush?

I’m surprised you finally admitted Russia keeps doing stupid stuff.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5179 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:30 am to


Something is about to break and/or there’s staging going on for later.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82149 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:30 am to
Not changing sides, I've always mocked the neocon / shitlib opinion that Russia poses some grave threat to the world order and must be stopped at great expense to the American taxpayer.

They are clearly a paper tiger and their strategies are idiotic.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10485 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:43 am to
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shitlib opinion that Russia poses some grave threat to the world order and must be stopped


Well, it seems obvious that they posed a grave threat to the largest country in Europe. See, they tried to conquer this country through armed invasion. And that failed, so now Putin is throwing a fit and is systematically trying to reduce it to rubble. Bombing its ports, bombing its civilian heat and electricity generating stations. So it's citizens will freeze during the winter.

Now they're waging a war that kills hundreds of people every day. And has displaced millions.

Oh, and blockading its grain exports which puts food security at risk for millions of people in developing nations around the world.

So, if that's not a threat to world order, what is?
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 6:45 am
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3719 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:00 am to
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But, for the average Russian, all that is understandable, because they are fighting a war, and everyone knows that sacrifices need to be made during wartime.


I thought it was a special military operation and totally not a war
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36440 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:12 am to
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Which part? Because Ukraine begging the world now for foot soldiers says (make that screams) alot.


Omg guys! Ukraine is almost out of soldiers, some “insider” at the end of the bar told Errerwhere after his plant shift!

Maybe since Ukraine is almost out of soldiers, Russia will finally capture the One horse town of Aviidvka that it’s been struggling with for the last month. Kyiv will certainly fall in a matter of days after that.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3719 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:16 am to
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Hungary threatens to veto Ukraine's EU accession prospects

The government explained that the reason is the violation of the rights of the Hungarian minority, and they will block the negotiations until they fulfill the language and education requirements.

"New laws have been introduced that have made life miserable for Hungarians in Ukraine," said Balázs Orbán, Prime Minister Orbán's right-hand man and political advisor (not family). He was referring to Ukraine's recently introduced language law, which requires minorities, not just Hungarians, to follow at least 70% of their education in Ukrainian.

"We cannot accept this," Balázs Orbán told NOS. "Hungary's position is crystal clear: as long as this law exists, we can't talk with Ukrainians about their integration into the European Union."

LINK

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The discourse on Ukraine's counter-offensive often oversimplifies Soviet doctrine as rigid mass warfare and NATO- as flexible maneuver warfare.

The truth is far more nuanced, and needed for future discussions.

Thus: Soviet tactical and operational doctrine, a thread.

To keep things simple, I'll stick to the operational and tactical elements of Soviet doctrine during the late Cold War—the most relevant period for us and Ukraine.

Soviet operations were conducted by Armies and Fronts. Division and below would belong in the realm of tactics

"Success in small-unit engagements was dependent on combined arms integration, firepower, and maneuver. Moscow taught that ground and air forces, and combat and support units had to work closely together to achieve an effect that was greater than the sum of their parts"

Soviets prioritized offensive actions, emphasizing concentration of force and firepower through mobility and full mechanization. Their ideal strategy was a strong, early blow to penetrate the enemy's operational depth and disorganize enemy forces.

"Maneuver first with firepower. Firepower is maneuver"

Any Soviet offensive would start with long-lasting massed fires throughout the enemy depth. In addition to artillery, missile troops and air force assets, would be subordinated directly to the Front and Army commanders.

Tactical leaders had direct control over their organic fires, but most fire support was highly centralized to maximise effectiveness during the critical early hours of any operation. However, as operations continued this centralization risked coordination problems.

Air and missile forces would be used to hit enemy command and support elements. Despite this coordination of artillery-, missile- and air forces, the Soviets did not always expect to have air superiority. They expected to operate in contested airspace and relied on anti-air.

"If maneuver forces must be massed, do so rapidly. Disperse them as soon as possible after the task has been achieved."

The Soviets were acutely aware of the danger of long-range fires. Dispersal and mobility were essential. The Soviets focused on attacking from the move.

Attacking from the move would both let the Soviets apply ground forces gradually to a battle and bring together a larger force for a breakthrough when needed. They could also quickly exploit tactical and operational breakthroughs before the enemy could effectively react.

That's not to say that the classic image of armored flotillas heading westwards is not accurate. The Soviets would mass relatively dispersed forces together for tactical engagements. Fast deployment from march formation to rehearsed battle drills was essential.

While the battle drills were often tactically somewhat limited, Soviet operational commanders enjoyed relative freedom of action. The most important objective for them would be penetrating into enemy depth, and isolating, or surrounding enemy maneuver- and support forces.

"Maneuver forces should attack the weakest points in enemy defenses. If necessary, create weak points or holes with nuclear or nonnuclear fires. Bypass enemy strongpoints to strike deeply into his rear."

Soviet offensives would attempt to find the path of least resistance.

Forward recon elements would attempt to find the weakest points in the enemy line, as well as any useable routes for mechanized forces to go around the defensive positions. The Soviets would then attack on multiple axes at once to exert pressure over the whole frontline.

The job of the first echelon, generally made up of motor rifle formations, was to create a gap in the enemy frontline. Then the second echelon, usually tank formations, would be thrown in to exploit the breakthrough and advance deep into the enemy's operational depth.

If the Soviet first echelon units failed to dislodge defenders, they would then switch to fixing the enemy in place. The operational commander would then commit the second echelon to more successful axes.

Bypassed positions would be reduced after the 2nd echelon had passed.

Soviet operations would thus flow rather fluidly, like water around rocks. The high mobility, relative dispersal and echeloned nature of forces meant that the Soviet operational commanders could change the concentration of force, and fires, relatively quickly.

To ensure the success of these fluid mechanized operations, the Soviets would use "forward detachments" in the early phases of the operation to capture key terrain and disrupt enemy operations. Air assault forces could capture bridges or neutralize enemy command posts.

"Deceive the enemy. Attack from an unexpected direction at an unexpected time. Use terrain and weather to your advantage"

We may talk too much about "Maskirovka", but deception was essential to Soviet operations. Keeping the main direction a secret was essential for success

"There must be unity of command, a single commander for any operation... Adhere to the spirit and letter of a plan. If the plan fails, use initiative to accomplish the mission."

As said before, the Soviet command was often rather centralized compared to NATO armies

The Soviets did attempt to encourage initiative, but as we can see from the quote above, following the spirit and letter of the plan was often emphasized. The battle drills underline this: the junior leaders especially had a limited playbook, not full freedom of action

On the other hand, the focus on battle drills and doctrinal approaches meant that, in theory, the Soviets could easily make snap decisions on the battlefield and adjust to new tactical situations on the go.

Although casualty-prone, this would retain offensive momentum

There's a lot more we could talk about here, but it's time to wrap it up.

The Soviets focused on mobile maneuver and combined arms warfare. The major difference to NATO doctrine was the emphasis on the operational level of war and a different approach to the tactical layer.

Adherence to doctrine, plans and battle drills was more important than every individual commander's freedom of action. In addition to this, the Soviets emphasized aggressive offensive action, as well as the volume and concentration of fires more than Western armies did.

There'd be more to talk about, but the things discussed here are enough for future discourse about the Ukrainian counteroffensive and armed forces.

We'll be coming back to this thread with @Black_BirdGroup as we start analyzing the counteroffensive in detail.


LINK
Posted by bucknut
Lufkin, Texas
Member since Dec 2013
1811 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:29 am to
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So they are all out of helicopters? How deep into Russia was this base?

According to this thread they were out of helicopters a year ago, then again half a year ago, and again about two months ago. This time is it boys! We finally knocked out all of their alligators!
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