re: Do Children Have a “Right to Hug” Their Parents?

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Do Children Have a “Right to Hug” Their Parents?

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Piss-poor question and either framed so purposely or idiotically (take your pick, but considering it comes from The New Yorker, I opt for the latter).

The focus on "children not being able to hug their parents" is a weak argumentative cloak meant to divert attention from the foundational point being that this scenario arises from the parents committing crimes in the first place.

Blame the parents for getting themselves put in the system.

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Last fall, Le’Essa learned why the children of Flint had been blocked from seeing their parents at the Genesee County Jail.

“My dad is the kind of guy who can climb a tree even if it doesn’t have any branches,” Le’Essa told me. “He just wraps his legs around the trunk.” Le’Essa’s parents separated when she was young, and her dad has struggled with addiction.

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You mean this gem?

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According to the Sheriff, 34-year-old Adam Lee Hill was arrested and brought to the Genesee County Jail.

The Sheriff says while the inmate was in general housing in the jail, the man went to the bathroom several times.

Swanson says Hill had a bag of Fentanyl in his anal cavity, which he defecated, and then took a dose of.

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He then dropped the bag and another inmate and two deputies ended up needing NARCAN just from touching the bag,

Shoving a bag of fentanyl up your arse isn't a "struggle with addiction", it's a massive fricking problem and his being around his kids while arse-deep in it is worse for them than not being around him.

Is the moving to a video phone system where you have to pay to see your loved ones a good idea? No. That said, nothing is free and shoving the insane and addicted into jails is no less costly an option than leaving them on the street to the point where they run off taxpayers. As addiction rates increase, things like this are going to happen in order to pay for incarcerations (whatever their form) which manage the addicts and insane.

Until the populace re-embraces insane asylums as a way to combat the insane living on the streets and some similar form for the heavily addicted (and accepts the possible consequences of committing the insane and addicts to those facilities), things like this will continue and kids like Le'Essa and Addy will continue to get caught in the middle. (you could also add to this that the populace needs to start rejecting recreational drug use, at least to a higher level than what we currently see)

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Do Children Have a “Right to Hug” Their Parents?

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Oh frick off!

Children weren't able to visit their dying parents in hospitals because of Covid.

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Everyone who is arrested is guilty. Gotcha.

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If they are trustworthy individuals, they would probably know at least 1 person with property, who will go to bat for them.
A former employer, a family member, a former teacher, someone from church, a friend...

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Most people who are incarcerated in Louisiana haven’t been convicted.

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A simple google search says your "most" claim is untrue. This is what I asked for that you couldn't provide

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49% of people in Louisiana jails have not been convicted of a crime, meaning they're legally innocent

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LINK


Also,

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More than half of the people held in jails in Louisiana are held for federal or state agencies, primarily the state prison system. To avoid counting them twice, this population is not included in the yellow jails line. For annual counts of people in jails held for federal or state authorizes in Louisiana, see our table "Jail and prison incarcerated populations by state over time."

This graph excludes people held for state or federal authorities from the total count of people held in Louisiana jails. Because a majority (66%) of the population in Louisiana jails is held for the state prison system, this graph likely overstates the convicted population and understates the pre-trial population.

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You can quit assuming the majority in local jails are in pretrial because that is wrong. At best it is 50/50 as this article points out the number is probably overstated.


All of the data I find also says that 95% of people arrested by the state will be found guilty or plead guilty. Seems like pretty good odds that if you are currently in jail the case against you is pretty strong.

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If they are trustworthy individuals, they would probably know at least 1 person with property, who will go to bat for them. A former employer, a family member, a former teacher, someone from church, a friend...

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With inflation the way it is, I don’t expect many people in one of the poorest states in country to have several thousand dollars available to loan to someone who has been accused of a crime.

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The father of children in the opening paragraph is in pre-trial detention. He is/was awaiting trial.

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With a baggie of fentanyl shoved up his arse.

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That’s the whole topic of the article.

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And that's the problem, it seeks to focus on the symptom as being the cause. As such, its grievances can never be resolved. Articles like this are either the province of the incredibly short-sighted who are too ignorant (or blinded by ideology) to see the full picture, or those who want to generate rage-clicks and pearl-clutching from those sorts.

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With inflation the way it is, I don’t expect many people in one of the poorest states in country to have several thousand dollars available to loan to someone who has been accused of a crime.

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These poor people you speak of always seem to have new nails, the latest Nike shoes, the latest iPhone, etc

How do they do it?

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where has it been tried in Louisiana? What exactly hasn’t worked?

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I’m not overly familiar with all prisons but rehabilitation has been integrated into prisons for decades. Work release trusty programs, educational and vocational programs are all by there very nature… rehabilitation methods. I won’t contend super max facilities and all prison wings have many if any programs but you dont get put in those “houses” by chance

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this is your smoking gun?

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It directly refutes your lies and silly assumptions. Sorry that actual statistics instead of assumptions hurt your silly agenda.

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it makes sense that people would plead to probation just to get out of jail.

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Or...they are guilty and know they are guilty so the plea to avoid lengthy incarceration.

Do you think a DA office is out there just constantly charging innocent people? All of the research we have says that at best about 4% of people charged with a crime are actually innocent.

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that only you are allowed to provide?

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I just figured if you get to make assumptions and state them as facts ITT then we all could