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NBA Western Conference Future

Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:28 pm
Posted by JamalMurry27
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:28 pm
It would seem Denver, Minnesota, OKC etc are poised to be top tier for many years....Is this a good thing for the NBA for the traditional powers in bigger markets or historic teams like the Lakers, Spurs, Rockets, etc to be second tier for a long time? Personally I miss the days of the traditional powers.
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:29 pm to
Stop making threads
Posted by TigerLifer18
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:49 pm to
Mavericks aren’t going anywhere either. 2 WCF in the last 3 seasons with a win tomorrow. Luka is only 25 or 26.
Posted by Mr. Elvert
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 10:55 pm to
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JamalMurry27


Always enjoy your work, mate
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:20 pm to
I’d say Denver, Minnesota, and Dallas are the three best teams going forward.

OKC has a shite ton of capital, but they really need to find a 5 or another big to pair next to Chet. He’s not a big, and you saw it in the first series against the pelicans and especially against the Mavs where Gafford and Lively are much better defensively than Valanciunas. OKC would get eaten alive against Denver or Minnesota with their size.

I’d say as of right now, all healthy:

Denver
Dallas
Minnesota
OKC

Then you’ve got New Orleans, Memphis, Phoenix

Window closed: Warriors, Lakers, Clippers

Playoff contenders: Sacramento, Houston

Non-threats: Portland, Utah, San Antonio - the spurs still don’t have a legit number 2 or 3 on their roster. Vassell is solid, but that’s about it.

Curious to see with the luxury tax penalties, if the conference actually begin to balance out. There’s no reason for the east to be at the talent deficit that currently exists.
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 6:50 am to
It also depends on the futher rule tweaks the NBA will be doing in the offseason.

Allowing more contact has helped Minnesota, Denver, and Dallas while hurting Oklahoma City, Sacramento, and Phoenix.


As a Lakers fan I hope Lebron leaves and they sign Paul George. Build a defensive minded team like Orlando and Minnesota with just enough offense.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:47 am to
quote:

I’d say Denver, Minnesota, and Dallas are the three best teams going forward.

OKC has a shite ton of capital, but they really need to find a 5 or another big to pair next to Chet. He’s not a big, and you saw it in the first series against the pelicans and especially against the Mavs where Gafford and Lively are much better defensively than Valanciunas. OKC would get eaten alive against Denver or Minnesota with their size.

I’d say as of right now, all healthy:

Denver
Dallas
Minnesota
OKC

Then you’ve got New Orleans, Memphis, Phoenix

Window closed: Warriors, Lakers, Clippers

Playoff contenders: Sacramento, Houston

Non-threats: Portland, Utah, San Antonio - the spurs still don’t have a legit number 2 or 3 on their roster. Vassell is solid, but that’s about it.

Curious to see with the luxury tax penalties, if the conference actually begin to balance out. There’s no reason for the east to be at the talent deficit that currently exists.


I think SAS will be good they have Wemby and once they fill in spots around him it won’t take long.

OKC has draft and trade-able player capital to improve their roster, but don’t expect the owners to go hog wild on spending either. If they were to add PG and bring Giddy off bench that would be a team. But they usually look at long haul not short term.

Big market teams with very rich owners overspend to win their titles and then once it catches up they are bad a few years as they reset cap and get below. Then they start buying players again and make another run after their lux tax expires. Don’t expect them to be bad for long.

As for OKC, they beat Denver 3-1 in games this year. Only loss was game 3 early season when they were playing 13 players to see what they had.

Also, things never stay the same. The mid tier teams will make moves. Some moves will bump them up and some will bomb out.

The Mavs do have Luka but they have little capital to make many moves. Their mid season moves were great but not sure how they can make many more. If they beat OKC I don’t see them making it past either one of other two teams.

Denver is good but might be at or just past peak. As other teams get better its hard to stay at top. Money catches up. Stars age out or get nagging injuries.

The biggest flaw in NBA is their cap and tax structure. It hurts smaller market teams who can’t afford the lux tax whereas bigger market teams have owners willing to buy rings. I have no idea why they don’t go to the NFL model which is best in any sports. It just proves they want big market teams to win. And smaller market teams become feeder teams as their drafted players become good and small market teams can’t keep up with the over cap and tax costs.

This is why OKC is in a bind. They have so many good players and so many draft picks. But as those young players come up on contracts they can’t pay them all. Its like Presti did too good a job. Can’t use all the picks either not enough room on roster, along with cap. So in that case he could go all in now while some players are on lesser salary. Once money catches up they’ll be harder pressed to do things. But I don’t expect them to make any rash moves off season. Their ownership group wants to sustain success, meaning they’ll have some deep runs but likely won’t ever get over the hump. So they will plod along without making big costing moves. Look at their mid season moves they helped facilitate Mavs moves yet never upgraded roster. That tells you where the owners are and Presti has to please them



This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 8:57 am
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
7040 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:52 am to
quote:

It would seem Denver, Minnesota, OKC etc are poised to be top tier for many years....Is this a good thing for the NBA for the traditional powers in bigger markets or historic teams like the Lakers, Spurs, Rockets, etc to be second tier for a long time? Personally I miss the days of the traditional powers.


The Lakers have been irrelevant in the NBA for nearly 15 years now (outside of the micky mouse fake title that had the lowest ratings in finals history).
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 8:53 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145273 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 8:52 am to
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outside of the micky mouse fake title that had the lowest ratings in finals history


the irony of which is that boston has been irrelevant for almost 40 years outside of a once in a lifetime fluke title that is somehow less remembered than said above championship

and the lakers won 2 more championships in the last 15 years for those keeping count
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 8:57 am
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4547 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 9:47 am to
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As for OKC, they beat Denver 3-1 in games this year. Only loss was game 3 early season when they were playing 13 players to see what they had.


This is meaningless if you're trying to use it to prop OKC up as a contender. Jokic didn't even play in one of those games, and I believe they were missing at least one starter in all of the losses.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
21322 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 9:53 am to
quote:

would seem Denver, Minnesota, OKC etc are poised to be top tier for many years


No team is "poised for years" that's not how the NBA works. Injuries and fa affect the league more than any other sport because it's just 5 guys playing at a time for your team.

People thought the OKC Thunder with Durant and Westbrook would be contenders for years, that didn't happen.

How many title runs did the Warriors miss out on because klay and KD got hurt?

Giannis was the supposed best player on the planet and only has one title.

There's just too many variables.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65974 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:05 am to

There's that 3000 word blog

Just chill and watch tonight. None of us affect game 6 or 7.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
7040 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:16 am to
quote:

the irony of which is that boston has been irrelevant for almost 40 years outside of a once in a lifetime fluke title that is somehow less remembered than said above championship and the lakers won 2 more championships in the last 15 years for those keeping count


Oh you big mad. My comment hit the mark.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145273 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 10:19 am to
Just simply adding context
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
12276 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 11:04 am to
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Then you’ve gotNew Orleans, Memphis, Phoenix


Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
4712 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 11:24 am to
Spurs will be a factor once they get better talent around yama
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